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| Jock News; tracking the road to independence | |
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| Topic Started: May 9 2008, 08:28 AM (14,180 Views) | |
| CraigGrannell | Oct 5 2009, 02:33 PM Post #301 |
Your thumping bass surrounds you
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It'll be interesting to see what will happen regarding the EU when Scotland breaks away from the UK. Will both resultant states have to reapply, or would the EU consider that Scotland 'left' the UK, leaving the UK an EU member and Scotland having to apply? Either way, it could pose a problem in the short-term, because even Iceland's fast-track application looks like it's going to take at least three years to get through (well, to the point of acceptance, at which point the population gets an EFTA vs EU referendum). |
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| Anonymous X | Oct 5 2009, 04:16 PM Post #302 |
 
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*Facepalm* Whoops, sorry. Point still stands though. I'm a proud Euro-federalist. CG: I know what you mean, I can't find anything objective as to whether Scotland would 'inherit' EU membership from the UK. I'll suppose we'll wait and see what happens to the component parts of Belgium when/if that splits in half (or three-ways) eventually. |
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| Tom Camfield | Oct 6 2009, 06:01 AM Post #303 |
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Yes, Scotland in, the rest of the UK out, and the remaining UK becomes a Swiss style tax haven. (NB Before the bust we were edging towards a Swiss style tax haven since a lot of our smaller islands exist outside regular tax laws and our banking sector was chocking out everything else.) As for the fees Switzerland pays to the EU, UKIP (who I do not support) state that the country saves 2.4 billion swiss francs by having a free trade treaty rather than being in the EU, and they have free movement of people. I'm not sure how it would work out for Britain though. Mainly, I just want a neutral Britain since I work outside the country and British sabre rattling doesn't really go down very well, and I'd like a more democratic approach to legislation that would make politicians a bit more like bureaucrats and the people more like policy makers. But being in the EU would be my second choice! |
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| CraigGrannell | Oct 6 2009, 09:06 AM Post #304 |
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It's probably worth noting that the Swiss aren't outside of every organisation—they, along with Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein, are part of EFTA. From living in Iceland, it's clear that the majority of EU laws are implemented anyway, and the payments are not significantly lower than they would be if the states were part of the EU, but they don't get any real say in policy. If the UK split into component parts, England (or England+Wales+NI) would almost certainly rejoin the EU, because it would in this age just be too much of an effort not to. |
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| RevStu | Nov 13 2009, 02:13 AM Post #305 |
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Labour hold the safe seat of Glasgow North East (the poorest, thickest and most unemployed constituency in the country) with a majority reduced from 10,000 to 8,000 in the face of the lowest turnout in Scottish by-election history, despite a huge increase of 150% in postal vote applications (Labour's chosen method of electoral fraud), amounting to over 10% of the total vote. Disappointing lack of progress for the SNP, whose vote fell by around the same percentage as Labour's - although they're among 12 parties competing against the incumbent compared to just 6 last time, and therefore arguably did well to slightly increase their share of the vote from 17% to 20%. (Previously the Tories and Lib Dems didn't field a candidate against the Speaker, which is apparently traditional.) The BNP get twice as many votes as the Lib Dems to take 4th, but are held off for 3rd by the Tories, by a wafer-thin margin of about 60 votes. An hour or so before the declaration, it's being widely reported that the BNP have taken 3rd, but very unusually the returning officer announces at that point that there will be no recounts permitted for anything other than 1st and 2nd place. Which smelled suspicious to me as soon as he announced it, but anything that keeps the racist fuckers (who were roundly booed in the hall) down isn't too much of a hardship to bear in a country that only pretends to be a democracy anyway. |
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| Anonymous X | Nov 13 2009, 05:49 PM Post #306 |
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I'm glad that I'm not the only one here against postal voting, then. |
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