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THIS IS THE NEWS; stuff you should probably know about
Topic Started: Aug 20 2007, 07:41 AM (60,314 Views)
Peter St. John	Oct 23 2009, 06:38 AM Post #1801
"I can see you." Posts: 849 Group: Subscribers Member #541 Joined: June 7, 2005	It's interesting how it has split the UK 'net. About half the boards I visit thought he was absolutely destroyed, the other half thinking that it was a victory for the BNP. I'm not sure myself; I thought Straw started out strong, but faded fast, Warsi's non-denial of Clause 28 was pretty damning, and Huhne's attempt to move the Lib Dems to the right on immigration was depressing. It needed more Bonnie Greer, really.



Rob M	Oct 23 2009, 06:58 AM Post #1802
Honourable Member Posts: 2,821 Group: Members Member #319 Joined: August 31, 2004	I'm baffled by this idea he was destroyed. His prepared responses to attacks were worked out cleverly and often left unchallenged, everyone else attacking him by speaking at him and in third person "Nick Griffin believes this!" whilst he shook his head and said they were lying. It was a mess of short-sighted grandstanding, leaving him to get away with murder. The self-congratulatory self-review at the end "I think Nick was shown up tonight!" and the jeering of the mob audience ("Dick Griffin." Brilliant!) was embarrassing and so solipsistic, apparently completely ignorant of how any of this plays if you don't already see him as the anti-Christ. It did need more Bonnie Greer, she's the only one who actually got behind his facade. What it most needed is to be less stacked against him and several times less fucking hysterical. It was awful.



Peter St. John	Oct 23 2009, 07:25 AM Post #1803
"I can see you." Posts: 849 Group: Subscribers Member #541 Joined: June 7, 2005	He did end up looking like a twit at the holocaust part, though yes, there was far too much braying and relying on half-remembered quotes that he could easily dodge. And the Anti-Nazis at this point are doing the BNP more favours than hindrance - if we can see that, why can't they, I wonder?



RevStu	Oct 23 2009, 08:35 AM Post #1804
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,579 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	I drifted out because it was messy, incoherent and boring. At times Dimbleby did a good job of nailing him down (the David Duke stuff), and at times he totally let him off the hook (the Holocaust questions, which Griffin was trying to answer and dig himself a hole with, but wasn't allowed to). And the audience were mostly complete fucking retards. That Asian guy who asked him what was so wrong with Islam - shitting hell, just let the guy have a five-minute party political broadcast highlighting all the things that a lot of decent ordinary people don't like about Islam, hence making Griffin appear more reasonable, why don't you? Talk about an open goal. Fucking halfwit. You've got to be laser-focused when talking to the likes of Griffin, because any sort of rambling and waffling about the fucking Ice Age, or any sort of clever-dick laziness, and you give him an opening to dodge the real issues and dictate the direction of the debate. We needed more straight questions last night, like the coloured guy who said "I was born in England, where would you send me back to?", and we needed them followed up, because Griffin said he could stay here, yet the BNP wants a country 99.9% white. What we got was a bunch of dolts in the audience and a bunch of cretin politicians on the stage more concerned with getting lots of airtime to say "We don't like the BNP" in rather than actually taking on the loathsome cunt and showing him up for the dim-witted nasty little bigot he is.



Ian Osborne	Oct 23 2009, 09:04 AM Post #1805
Posts: 4,032 Group: Subscribers Member #44 Joined: May 9, 2003 Football bias: Aston Villa The best videogame ever is: Time Pilot A good name for a band would be: Wilted Continent	RevStu Oct 23 2009, 08:35 AM That Asian guy who asked him what was so wrong with Islam - shitting hell, just let the guy have a five-minute party political broadcast highlighting all the things that a lot of decent ordinary people don't like about Islam, hence making Griffin appear more reasonable, why don't you? Talk about an open goal. Fucking halfwit. It was one of only two marginal successes Griffin scored, though (the other being the rather cutting comparison between his and Jack Straw's fathers' war records). The main problem with the Islam question was the person who asked it failed to follow through. Griffin was crucified on the Holocaust issue, embarrassed when he tried to defend David Duke and ridiculed when he declined to identify the quotes he claimed were misattributed to him. It was a bad day for the BNP. They were given a platform, and they blew it.



Cadmium Lemon	Oct 23 2009, 09:31 AM Post #1806
#$%&*! Posts: 5,954 Group: Star Members Member #88 Joined: January 11, 2004 Football bias: Chelsea/Barnet The best videogame ever is: Paradroid A good name for a band would be: Grisly Axolotl Torture	The worst thing about last night was the craven way everybody accepted the default BNP position that immigration is a "problem". If Jack Straw had any balls at all he'd have gone on the offensive there, challenging the lies of the Mail, the Express, Migration Watch, and all the other ringleaders of the racist movement. He almost got there at one point, when he said that population levels were dropping since the recession kicked in, but then he stopped short of throwing the incredibly obvious punch: Something along these lines - "If population levels are falling, why is support for the BNP rising?" The answer, obviously, is that it's the perception of immigration that's responsible for the rise of the BNP, not immigration itself. But there's an election coming up, don'tcha know, so let's all pander to the racists for a bit longer. Other than that, I thought Griffin got destroyed, but I would, wouldn't I? And listening to Radio 5's phone-in afterwards, it was clear that last night changed nothing. The amount of people who phoned in claiming Griffin was "bullied" was incredible. Bullied how? He was on fucking Question Time, and he's not a six year old; he was capable of defending himself. He chose not to, and the end result is that people who were predisposed to be sympathetic towards him decided that it was actually Jack Straw and Dimbleby who were the repulsive ones. The outcome of the show could have been a lot worse, but it should have been a lot better.



The Nixon Administration	Oct 23 2009, 11:38 AM Post #1807
Type some shit in here please Posts: 1,303 Group: Subscribers Member #589 Joined: August 16, 2005 Football bias: Tottenham Hotspur and France A good name for a band would be: The Nixon Administration. Natch.	Ian Osborne Oct 23 2009, 09:04 AM It was one of only two marginal successes Griffin scored, though (the other being the rather cutting comparison between his and Jack Straw's fathers' war records). Wha? I thought that bit was especially poor, a totally pointless comment with fuck all relevance to anything (wasn't "my dad fought in the war" the exact same line used by that nutcase who wrote to AP threatening Stu over the Cannon Fodder thing?); an own goal delivered out of pure spite. It almost immediately unravelled the well-prepared spiel he'd just given about how Churchill would probably be considered a xenophobic loon by modern standards and that the BNP might legitimately claim to be the modern party who came closest to sharing many of his political positions, and it really raised my hopes that Griffin was maybe less well briefed than he turned out to be. Instead, he was challenged on loads of stupid things for which he was obviously going to have a slick, deflecting, non-committal answer prepared, knowing* they were doing it in such a way that he could cry bullying afterwards, while letting him off giving wishy-washy answers to harder questions (like Stu said, they could have nailed him on the Holocaust thing if they hadn't been so keen to move on to something crap). Apparently the panel were under the impression most viewers would automatically think "ha, he doesn't know what he's talking about", not realising that to a significant number of viewers he was coming across as quite reasonable, as most bigots do when they're allowed to wax lyrical about their reasonable-seeming beliefs and not pinned down and forced to explain themselves. IIRC only once at the very end did someone point out he hadn't actually answered the fucking question. Vapid, incoherent and largely pointless. Griffin can now do the victim bit, claim he survived a real grilling and came through it smelling of roses, that the mainstream media couldn't deny the basic decent common sense modern Britain immigration discrimination blah blah blah, without him actually being subjected to that grilling. * (I was really annoyed that nobody seized on the fact that the BNP were effectively saying their attitudes were 80 years out of date. Cuh.)



Mattiman	Oct 23 2009, 03:44 PM Post #1808
Posts: 65 Group: Members Member #1,604 Joined: August 20, 2007	Anonymous X Oct 20 2009, 11:49 PM The powers-that-be in Washington have noticed that the Tories have allied themselves with the ultra-right... http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/20/tories-eu-allies-us-pressure Or possibly not... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6409202/Far-right-Tory-EU-allies-not-on-radar-says-US.html



RevStu	Oct 23 2009, 06:39 PM Post #1809
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,579 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	Sigh. Beware misleading headline: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8322308.stm



VOTE LIBERAL	Oct 31 2009, 06:39 PM Post #1810
Washable Sushi Towpath Posts: 8,201 Group: Subscribers Member #1,338 Joined: March 25, 2007 Football bias: REVIEW WARHEAD The best videogame ever is: REVIEW WARHEAD A good name for a band would be: REVIEW WARHEAD	It's been ooo, several months now since I last enjoyed any delicious illegal drugs. Mostly because of a problem with my supplier, and price. Yum yum yum, mmm mmm mmm. Mind you, it's in the news again. I'm going to quote damn near the whole BBC article that I'm reading at the moment. Quote: The UK's former chief drugs adviser has accused Gordon Brown of reclassifying cannabis for political reasons [...] Earlier this week, Prof Nutt used a lecture at King's College, London, to say that smoking cannabis created only a "relatively small risk" of psychotic illness and it was actually less harmful than nicotine or alcohol. But on Friday he was forced to quit after receiving a letter from Home Secretary Alan Johnson who said his comments had undermined the scientific independence of the council. [...] Prof Nutt told the BBC the government had ignored advice on cannabis "on the whim of the prime minister". "Until Gordon Brown took office there has never been a recommendation about drug classification from the council that has been rejected by government," he said. [...] "Gordon Brown comes into office and soon after that he starts saying absurd things like cannabis is lethal... it has to be a Class B drug. He has made his mind up. "We went back, we looked at the evidence, we said, 'No, no, there is no extra evidence of harm, it's still a Class C drug.' "He said, 'Tough, it's going to be Class B.'" Prof Nutt said drug laws should not be influenced "petty party politics" and compared them to interest rates, which are set by the Bank of England not the government. In the same way, he said, an independent committee should be set up to rule on drug classifications. "There's no point in having drug laws that are meaningless and arbitrary just because politicians find it useful and expedient occasionally to come down hard on drugs. "That's undermining the whole purpose of the drugs laws." [...] Prof Nutt had accused the government of using the classification system as a tool to send out an anti-drugs message, rather than to rate drugs in terms of actual risk. [...] Harry Shapiro, director of communications at DrugScope, said: "The home secretary's decision to force the resignation of the chair of an independent advisory body is an extremely serious and concerning development and raises serious questions about the means by which drug policy is informed and kept under review." Meanwhile, the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee has asked Mr Johnson to clarify why Prof Nutt was removed at a time when independent scientific advice was essential. BUT THE BOOZE IS STILL OAKY RITE? TELL ME I CAN STIL HAVE MY FUCKIN BOOZE.



notkeith	Nov 2 2009, 10:27 AM Post #1811
Posts: 19 Group: Subscribers Member #4,678 Joined: March 22, 2009 Football bias: Liverpool The best videogame ever is: Half Life 2 A good name for a band would be: Colin	The most bizarre thing about all of this is that I've just come away from the Have Your Say website agreeing with the top Readers' Recommended posts rather than, say, wanting to tie a television to my leg and throw myself in the canal.



Cadmium Lemon	Nov 3 2009, 11:38 AM Post #1812
#$%&*! Posts: 5,954 Group: Star Members Member #88 Joined: January 11, 2004 Football bias: Chelsea/Barnet The best videogame ever is: Paradroid A good name for a band would be: Grisly Axolotl Torture	See also: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1224578/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-Fatuous-dangerous-utterly-irresponsible--Nutty-professor-whos-distorting-truth-drugs.html and, even better - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1224858/Yes-scientists-good-But-country-run-arrogant-gods-certainty-truly-hell-earth.html THE NAZIS ALSO LIKED SCIENCE (caution, contains Daily Mail).



The Nixon Administration	Nov 3 2009, 02:26 PM Post #1813
Type some shit in here please Posts: 1,303 Group: Subscribers Member #589 Joined: August 16, 2005 Football bias: Tottenham Hotspur and France A good name for a band would be: The Nixon Administration. Natch.	Cadmium Lemon Nov 3 2009, 11:38 AM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1224858/Yes-scientists-good-But-country-run-arrogant-gods-certainty-truly-hell-earth.html I like the URL of that last one, it sounds like an ageing right-wing grandee spluttering with red-faced, incoherent rage.



Mattiman	Nov 3 2009, 05:33 PM Post #1814
Posts: 65 Group: Members Member #1,604 Joined: August 20, 2007	The Nixon Administration Nov 3 2009, 02:26 PM Cadmium Lemon Nov 3 2009, 11:38 AM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1224858/Yes-scientists-good-But-country-run-arrogant-gods-certainty-truly-hell-earth.html I like the URL of that last one, it sounds like an ageing right-wing grandee spluttering with red-faced, incoherent rage. I should've known better, but I read that whole article. By the end I was practically contemplating suicide, but my mood was saved by the fact that this is the top rated comment (approaching 600 positive ratings as I type, whcih I assume is quite a lot in this context): "The trouble with a 'scientific' argument relying solely on empirical facts." Ha ha ha ha! What a priceless piece of illiterate garbage. Much better to rely on falsehoods superstition and hysteria, as whipped up by Daily Mail hacks. Many of the other "top-rated" comments are in a similar vein. I am cheered that even readers of the Daily Mail's website have more sense than their ridiculous columnists.



RevStu	Nov 3 2009, 07:54 PM Post #1815
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,579 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	Gnuk: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8340561.stm



MrD	Nov 4 2009, 11:09 AM Post #1816
Tony "Numbers" Morrenzo Posts: 5,281 Group: Subscribers Member #733 Joined: December 23, 2005 A good name for a band would be: Baelheit's Machina Vanguard	Does anybody else think it would have been nice to at least pretend to have some kind of public consultation on the Lisbon treaty?



notkeith	Nov 4 2009, 07:24 PM Post #1817
Posts: 19 Group: Subscribers Member #4,678 Joined: March 22, 2009 Football bias: Liverpool The best videogame ever is: Half Life 2 A good name for a band would be: Colin	MrD Nov 4 2009, 11:09 AM Does anybody else think it would have been nice to at least pretend to have some kind of public consultation on the Lisbon treaty? It'd be nice, but I can't help feeling that the minute such a thing was put in motion, any rational debate about it would be drowned out by the usual Pub Landlord "Bloody Brussels making us eat straight bananas!" rhetoric. Seems like promising any kind of referendum on Europe is one of those election promises that's easy to make and then quietly drop.



VOTE LIBERAL	Nov 4 2009, 08:45 PM Post #1818
Washable Sushi Towpath Posts: 8,201 Group: Subscribers Member #1,338 Joined: March 25, 2007 Football bias: REVIEW WARHEAD The best videogame ever is: REVIEW WARHEAD A good name for a band would be: REVIEW WARHEAD	Hoorah that David Cameron has suggested has "promised a sovereignty bill if the Tories win the next election to "lock in" the supremacy of UK laws." In other words, fuck Brussels and their straight bananas - but out of respect for the sovereignty of the nation, and its fine history and traditions. Sometimes a country might flout UN law, and that's bad. Invading countries and that. That can be an irritant to other countries/local political parties, that flouting. So in regard to Europe, why not set out your stall by saying "We reserve the right to do whatever we want, fuck you" from the very start? That way, nobody can say they weren't warned. Hoorah! On the upside, it's sort of edging towards a national constitution a bit, which is a tiny step towards proper democracy, at least. So, Britain then - potentially nearly as progressive as 18th century Poland. Oh, and those Daily Mail articles are hilarious, cheers Cadmium Lemon. Edited by VOTE LIBERAL, Nov 4 2009, 08:46 PM.



caleyjag	Nov 5 2009, 03:47 AM Post #1819
Posts: 584 Group: Subscribers Member #525 Joined: May 10, 2005	Cadmium Lemon Nov 3 2009, 11:38 AM See also: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1224858/Yes-scientists-good-But-country-run-arrogant-gods-certainty-truly-hell-earth.html I think being an 'arrogant god of certainty' has a nice ring to it. I think I shall use that in future when addressing people. (I'm a professional physics dork).



Anonymous X	Nov 6 2009, 12:19 AM Post #1820
Posts: 1,268 Group: Subscribers Member #41 Joined: May 8, 2003	Some relieving news. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/05/david-cameron-europe-plan-doomed Quote: Europe ministers from Poland, the Netherlands and the Irish Republic � historically among the friendliest to Britain in the EU � said that Cameron would fail to achieve his demand to repatriate social and employment laws to Britain. His plans would need to secure the agreement of all 27 leaders of the EU because they would involve rewriting EU treaties.



Burai	Nov 6 2009, 02:18 PM Post #1821
Disappointment Posts: 1,125 Group: Subscribers Member #592 Joined: August 18, 2005 The best videogame ever is: Super Metroid	Well, this doesn't help: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8346093.stm Quote: Bluebeat's owner, Hank Risan, has claimed he does not need to license the music as the service is selling re-recorded versions of the songs using a technology called "psycho-acoustic simulation". He argues it enables him to sell music that sounds identical to recordings, making it exempt under a section of the Copyright Act which applies to recordings that "imitate or simulate those in the copyrighted sound recording". You have to admire him for having the nerve to say it, but really now? Please don't give the US govt an excuse to close that loophole and make cover bands illegal.



Cadmium Lemon	Nov 6 2009, 04:57 PM Post #1822
#$%&*! Posts: 5,954 Group: Star Members Member #88 Joined: January 11, 2004 Football bias: Chelsea/Barnet The best videogame ever is: Paradroid A good name for a band would be: Grisly Axolotl Torture	The internet seems to think that "psycho-acoustic simulation" is a euphemism for "converting a file from .wav to .mp3 format". Cheeky.



RevStu	Nov 11 2009, 01:08 PM Post #1823
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,579 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	Oops. http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/11/the-sun-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-get-a-name-wrong/



RevStu	Nov 14 2009, 09:42 AM Post #1824
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,579 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	Genius money-making scheme to reduce Britain's crippling debt: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6562409/Queens-Speech-pay-to-have-your-DNA-removed-from-database.html



Cadmium Lemon	Nov 19 2009, 12:13 PM Post #1825
#$%&*! Posts: 5,954 Group: Star Members Member #88 Joined: January 11, 2004 Football bias: Chelsea/Barnet The best videogame ever is: Paradroid A good name for a band would be: Grisly Axolotl Torture	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8366466.stm Quote: Sacked government drugs adviser Prof David Nutt has called for a Royal Commission to investigate whether cannabis should be decriminalised. Prof Nutt told the BBC the possibility of allowing Dutch-style cannabis cafes should be "explored". But his call comes as another academic is due to publish a study highlighting the possible links between the drug and schizophrenia. "The more you smoke, the higher the risk," Prof Robin Murray told the BBC. Amazing insight, there.



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