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| Are we excited about the 3DS?; I don't think I am | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 29 2010, 12:12 PM (7,782 Views) | |
| RevStu | Sep 29 2010, 12:12 PM Post #1 |
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Further to this: http://wosblog.podgamer.com/2010/09/29/is-the-3ds-the-new-psp/ ... I figured we might as well have a poll. To me, the iPod and iPhone have killed the DS stone dead. And I can't think of anything less likely to change my mind than a launch lineup full of Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil and Final Fantasy (at £30 a pop), because boredom with all these tired "grown-up" gaming franchises was what made me love the DS in the first place. But what about YOU, eh? |
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| CraigGrannell | Sep 29 2010, 01:17 PM Post #2 |
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Unsurprisingly, the same as you. I've barely touched my DS in well over a year, and towards the end of that time, I was gravitating away from DS games and towards emulated fare. With iOS, I've played more new games per week than at any point in my life, and found more great games at the same time. Unless the DS can compete with Apple's ecosystem and openness to developers and novelty (as opposed to centring on a single gimmick and trotting out updates to the same limited number of series), I can't see the point. Interestingly, I just wrote a news piece on gaming for a US mag, and surveys there are now suggesting iOS has almost caught Nintendo when it comes to device use and purchase intentions. The DS and iOS are at around 40% in the handheld space, with Sony lagging. In Europe, the gap is much larger, but iOS is still gaining ground. |
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| Steve D | Sep 29 2010, 02:10 PM Post #3 |
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I wasn't until I watched that video, though I hadn't really been paying attention before. I loved the jaunty music over the top of those Biohazard/MGS clips too. They should keep that in the game. I didn't get on with iOS games at all, even when I had an iPhone/iPod Touch the vast majority of the apps I used regularly were non-games. I tried loads but I never really 'got it' as a gaming platform at all. |
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| planetoftheclams | Sep 29 2010, 02:44 PM Post #4 |
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Might as well level the score and echo what Steve D said. I got all excited about games (largely because I hang around here a lot) when I was given an iPod Touch but then I found out it wouldn't run any of the Cave shooters and the only thing I've played for more than about a minute is Angry Birds. I'm certainly keen to see how the 3DS shapes up, but I'm not in any hurry. Skipping a generation of "under the telly" consoles for financial and temporal reasons has worked out nicely so I might as well extend it to handhelds. |
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| smac | Sep 29 2010, 04:34 PM Post #5 |
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Depends on the games, really - I haven't bought much for the DS for a while, other than DQIX and, um, Infinite Space before that. But the 3DS may scare up a couple of decent big-hitters to tempt me. I think an iPod touch or an iPad are a much more likely purchase, 'though, so I fall firmly into Craig's 'purchase intentions' group. For purely professional reasons *cough*, as I do a fair bit of UI design and I really need to play with gestural UIs or risk losing touch. I'm just loath to part with much dosh ATM. I'd feel bad about claiming back tax on it, too... :-) Nah, seriously, I slay me sometimes... I mean, heck, for what I spent on DQIX and Infinite Space, I could have a hundred 49p iPod games. Or an infinite amount of free games... OK, I'm sold. Off to the big, glass brainwashing cube (Apple Store) for me. |
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| Burai | Sep 29 2010, 04:53 PM Post #6 |
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I'm not, but only because I don't want to go back to tiny screens after the DSi XL. But let's face it, this is a launch lineup and nothing much of interest happens at a console launch besides warmed over ports with whatever gimmick they are trying to push attached. Give it 18 months and you'll see something interesting. |
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| aerisdead | Sep 29 2010, 05:36 PM Post #7 |
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Having played with one, the 3D effect is really great, it's not being oversold in that respect. I agree that it seems like it's going to be too pricey, but I guess unlike most everyone else on this forum I haven't grown out of the mainstream games industry. I like iPod/iPhone games, but I played Dragon Quest IX heavily and still have a bunch of PSP and DS games I'm working through, so things like a new Kid Icarus are of interest to me (even if I couldn't be less interested in a port of Ocarina of Time. I don't get why people are so excited for the same game again, even if it was great when I played it the first time.) Nintendo need to fix their whole digital rights thing first though. Hate the way that my DSiWare games will be gone forever if my DSi breaks. It's idiotic. |
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| Rob M | Sep 29 2010, 06:29 PM Post #8 |
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3D can fuck off. (Trad.) And I haven't used my DS for months on end - not because I'd moved to iOS or owt, either, just because... I stopped bothering. |
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| CraigGrannell | Sep 29 2010, 06:58 PM Post #9 |
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That, in a nutshell, is why other handheld platforms are a really tough sell now. Get an AppShopper account and you can flag games you'd like, and many either drop in price or become free for a few days. Unless you pretty much hate original, novel games, it's unlikely you'd go for more than a few days without finding something fun to play. In my case, as someone who reviews this stuff, I find myself typically at least wanting to try two or three new games per day, which is crazy. Try that with a DS. One thing I would STRONGLY recommend for people looking into grabbing an iOS device: buy the 32GB if you can afford it. 8GB is not going to be enough, unless you only want to use it for gaming and nothing else. (Even then, you might find yourself running out of space when you merrily install game number 155.) |
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| CraigGrannell | Sep 29 2010, 07:01 PM Post #10 |
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Give it 18 months and it'll be a platform for the same shit the DS is for now most of the time. (Well, maybe 18 months is a bit harsh... maybe 24.) Stu summed up the DS catalogue nicely with 'My Pet Pony's Pop Star Wedding'. iOS has a massive quality control problem at the low end. I now stream every single new release's info into Google Reader, and the average quality is shockingly bad. However, the cream (which is all you'll ever see in iTunes recommendations or in most mags) is often shockingly good. You just need to find the right games. |
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| GeeZa | Sep 29 2010, 09:33 PM Post #11 |
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Also me, there's been nothing worth playing. I got Etrian Odyssey III this week but that's a nerdy fetish I don't really want to confess to in a public forum. Now I have to find my DS, I have no idea where it is. It was like software support for it just vanished overnight, it's been bleak for a long time. There's nothing (imho) really innovative with the 3DS, it is largely a continuation of the existing platform with a fairly significant spec-bump for 3D graphics. Still not multi-function by any stretch of the imagination and still living in a world of $30-$40 carts at retail and probably maintaining some insanely rubbish Friends system. And at the risk of sounding not down with the kids, I don't find a 3D display particularly enticing either. There's no doubt the DS needs a shot in the arm, but if the launch price for this in the US is $250 or more then it's more like a punch in the gonads. For me personally, Nintendo are going to have to do something special to tempt me back and at the moment this doesn't look like it. |
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| VinylPusher | Sep 29 2010, 09:50 PM Post #12 |
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I suppose it'll be good for SNES emulation. |
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| Dumpster | Sep 29 2010, 09:58 PM Post #13 |
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I recall an article by RevStu from years ago which stated that he was not excited about the original DS, because he could not see the advantage of 2 screens. I think the example given was a football game, where one screen showed the whole team and the other was the individual player, and Stu could not see the benefit. I agreed with that article, until the machine came out and it was really good. So I'm reserving judgement until it's out. Nintendo have a knack for making things really good. Apart from Wii. |
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| VinylPusher | Sep 29 2010, 10:05 PM Post #14 |
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If Nintendo carry on down the road they are already travelling, all we will get is My Pony's 3D Birthday... ad infinitum. Possibly the odd little gem of a game pushed into a niche corner, here or there. Not worth spanking £239.99 on. |
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| RevMarzikins | Sep 29 2010, 11:32 PM Post #15 |
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I'll be honest with you guys...... I'm more interested in the 3DS's potential as a significantly powerful homebrew device (if it can successfully be cracked open at least). Still not sure if it'll be on the level of Pandora (though I'd imagine not), but if it'll give emulators and fangames a significant boost of excitement and imagination (especially if they can somehow access the 3D functions), I'm sure it'll be a unique addition to one's roster of handhelds in its own right. Edited by RevMarzikins, Sep 29 2010, 11:36 PM.
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| CraigGrannell | Sep 29 2010, 11:33 PM Post #16 |
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The kids are all playing games and arsing about online on their iPods.
Nintendo also has a nack for periodically getting stuck in a rut and needing a jolly good kick up the arse. They're looking a little like dinosaurs now, not innovators. Bizarrely, Sony's also doing WTF?-style stuff. I'll remember for a long time then-Palm CEO Ed Colligan’s remarks about the iPhone: "We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in." I imagine the same was thought regarding gaming. After all, this was the company that—for no sensible reason—killed the Apple II, then spurned the opportunity to turn the Mac into the natural next-gen gaming platform, then created the Pippin. *The Pippin*. Those guys weren't going to just walk in. Judging by the quite surprising iPod touch refresh (notably the screen) and the quickfire repositioning of the App Store (countering all the Android 'freedom' stuff, which, given how the carriers are screwing Android over, is looking a little like self-delusion now), I'm wondering what Apple's going to eventually do to shoot itself in the foot. |
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| Nirejhenge | Sep 30 2010, 06:12 AM Post #17 |
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Well I won't be buying one any time soon because it's unaffordable games and machine wise. It does look quite impressive though. The 3D aspect will be rubbish though. I have to say there hasn't been much to interest me yet on the ipod. I've played Plants Vs Zombies excessively though. It has made me think there's no point in paying such ridicilous amounts of money for games though. |
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| Nirejhenge | Sep 30 2010, 06:18 AM Post #18 |
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Also there needs to be the option of 'I'll buy one when the price drops below £50' |
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| CraigGrannell | Sep 30 2010, 09:32 AM Post #19 |
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Well, EuroGamer's excited, because it's already added the 3DS to its main nav, despite the machine not actually being out yet. The iPhone, of course, is still listed in the semi-hidden section found via the 'other platform' drop-down, along with obsolete hardware 'Retro', PS2, Xbox, GameCube and GBA. This, I believe, is the editorial equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALA! |
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| Nirejhenge | Sep 30 2010, 11:20 AM Post #20 |
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Why do they refuse to accept the idea of the Idevice being a legitimate gaming platform? It's absurd. |
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| CraigGrannell | Sep 30 2010, 11:59 AM Post #21 |
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I honestly don't know. I pitched there a long time ago, offering to more or less sort an iOS section. I was told they were handling it in-house; when nothing happened for ages, I was told that traffic to the iOS stuff they had done wasn't enough to merit much coverage. Given that I've seen plenty of figures for cross-platform sites that show massive traffic spikes when anything to do with Apple shows up, I can only imagine they either don't want to include much iOS stuff for fear of 'selling out' in the eyes of 'hardcore' gamers, or they just don't get it. The fact that the 3DS is in the main nav and the 'iPhone' is in a hidden drop-down section that includes the GBA speaks volumes, frankly. |
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| Nirejhenge | Sep 30 2010, 06:46 PM Post #22 |
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Still it's all the better for ("top secret new project" - Ed) isn't it? In the immortal words of We've Got A Fuzzbox And We're Gonna Use It.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGTA956L7cY |
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| CraigGrannell | Sep 30 2010, 08:38 PM Post #23 |
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Well, quite. All not-entirely-top-secret project needs now is for some crazy rich person to supply large piles of cash every Wednesday. (Or any other day, really—none of the team is particularly fussy.) |
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| RevStu | Sep 30 2010, 09:32 PM Post #24 |
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WEDNESDAYS OR NOTHING! |
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| mrbogus | Oct 2 2010, 09:21 AM Post #25 |
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Nintendo have announced that the 3DS will automatically upgrade its firmware by wifi or by loading it from game carts, according to DCEmu. This will probably make 3DS homebrew more of a pain in the backside to use than the PSP's. Unless you never take your 3DS anywhere and never buy any commercial games. Maybe the Supercard 3DS will come with a Faraday cage. |
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