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Manic Miner - The Lost Levels; official high score thread
Topic Started: Nov 5 2009, 12:43 AM (2,207 Views)
RevStu	Nov 7 2009, 04:51 PM Post #76
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,580 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	Cheese Plant - 35.796



flash	Nov 7 2009, 04:58 PM Post #77
Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #4,731 Joined: September 21, 2009 The best videogame ever is: Doom A good name for a band would be: just swallow	RevStu Nov 7 2009, 01:29 PM The stupid thing is, I was making that exact jump all last week, as part of an exhaustive documenting of the weird control quirks of the many versions, and didn't think of using it in the speed run. On the original Speccy version, if you jump from the far left onto the left side of the conveyor and hold right, Willy walks to the right. But if you jump from the central platform onto the right-hand side of the same conveyor and hold right, he stands still. I have fixed that (though not released it yet) STU: This stems from our little jaunt into the fabled crumbler territories! It works exactly as it should now! I cannot see a reason to release it yet as it would mess up the central cavern time. I was also going to wait a bit and then update the speed-run times to reflect the scores you guys have been getting (adding a handful of seconds so not to make the TOO hard). Also fixed.. Remaining sparkles in hi score code if completion is skipped when the text is drawn. NOTE: The jump-to-conveyor code works so on central cavern because, from the left platform jumping right you land directly on the conveyor, but, from the central portion and jumping right, just before you hit the conveyor you fall 8 pixels. When you fall your movement direction becomes 0, and when 0 if you push in the opposite direction of a conveyors travel, you stay still (and jump vertical) Edited by flash, Nov 7 2009, 05:02 PM.



RevStu	Nov 7 2009, 04:59 PM Post #78
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,580 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	The Big Drop - 42.133



RevStu	Nov 7 2009, 05:01 PM Post #79
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,580 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	flash Nov 7 2009, 04:58 PM This stems from our little jaunt into the fabled crumbler territories! It works exactly as it should now! I cannot see a reason to release it yet as it would mess up the central cavern time. Well, it's consistent anyway, since TLL doesn't act entirely like the Speccy version, having characteristics of other versions (eg Willy not slowing down if he jumps against a brick wall that's right over his head). Other versions (eg GBA) do let Willy walk along the right-hand side of the conveyor.



flash	Nov 7 2009, 05:09 PM Post #80
Posts: 41 Group: Members Member #4,731 Joined: September 21, 2009 The best videogame ever is: Doom A good name for a band would be: just swallow	RevStu Nov 7 2009, 05:01 PM flash Nov 7 2009, 04:58 PM This stems from our little jaunt into the fabled crumbler territories! It works exactly as it should now! I cannot see a reason to release it yet as it would mess up the central cavern time. Well, it's consistent anyway, since TLL doesn't act like the Speccy version, having characteristics of other versions (eg Willy not slowing down if he jumps against a brick wall that's right over his head). Other versions do let Willy walk along the right-hand side of the conveyor. It is strange how many different control and collision methods there are in the many versions. On the Coupe, willy instantly turns on a conveyor (the new levels at least). I should look and see what happens on 'the vat' in the coupe version. Also, they all have slightly differing jump movements and distances. In MMLL I had to adjust by having settings that govern this and enable levels to still work. "The End" is a point, and also, 'Central Cavern' has a slightly differing jump (not that you would notice - it accounts for a 1 pixel difference in the angles) On MMLL i made the decision to check above your head prior to a jump as I thought (even in 1983) is was very poor to initialise a jump where there was clearly no space for one to occur. So, you can walk through a passage holding jump and when it is clear above you, you can jump. Edited by flash, Nov 7 2009, 05:10 PM.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 05:12 PM Post #81
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	How about 10.919? (Oh for fuck's sake SHUT UP EVERYONE. >.< I was replying to Stu re: Horace.) Edited by RevMarzikins, Nov 7 2009, 05:12 PM.



RevStu	Nov 7 2009, 05:15 PM Post #82
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,580 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	RevMarzikins Nov 7 2009, 05:12 PM How about 10.919? You're asking us to swallow exactly one thousandth of a second? I think THAT one needs a picture...



RevStu	Nov 7 2009, 05:17 PM Post #83
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,580 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	flash Nov 7 2009, 05:09 PM It is strange how many different control and collision methods there are in the many versions. On the Coupe, willy instantly turns on a conveyor (the new levels at least). I should look and see what happens on 'the vat' in the coupe version. The Vat is an interesting one - in several versions including TLL, you collect keys when Willy touches them from the layer above, rather than having to drop onto their level. (This is consistent and as it should be, since you also die if he touches the death blocks in the same way, whereas on the Speccy you do get killed on those but can't collect the keys from the same relative position.)



myk	Nov 7 2009, 05:17 PM Post #84
Posts: 38 Group: Subscribers Member #4,725 Joined: August 11, 2009 The best videogame ever is: Cave Runner A good name for a band would be: Eviscerated Meatpipe	RevStu Cheese Plant - 35.796 Noooooooo.... ! erm... TIE!



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 05:22 PM Post #85
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	The Big Drop - 41.632. Edited by RevMarzikins, Nov 7 2009, 05:22 PM.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 05:24 PM Post #86
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	Blagger Could Smell A 'Ratt' - 32.954.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 05:39 PM Post #87
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	Cheese-Plant - 35.671.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 05:42 PM Post #88
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	Also, where's another gap you can squeeze through on Endorian Forest? The best corner-cutting route I can find can still only net me 33 seconds. You guys must be cheating. :-P



myk	Nov 7 2009, 05:52 PM Post #89
Posts: 38 Group: Subscribers Member #4,725 Joined: August 11, 2009 The best videogame ever is: Cave Runner A good name for a band would be: Eviscerated Meatpipe	The Endorian Forest route is tortuous! Eat My Dust, Pac-Man: Cheese-Plant: 35.395



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 06:07 PM Post #90
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	Man, you're obsessed with the Cheese Plant aren't you?! Anyhoo... The Final Barrier - 30.386.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 06:09 PM Post #91
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	Or rather 29.134.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 06:17 PM Post #92
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	And one for luck..... Cosmic Causeway - 36.450. Edited by RevMarzikins, Nov 7 2009, 06:17 PM.



myk	Nov 7 2009, 06:23 PM Post #93
Posts: 38 Group: Subscribers Member #4,725 Joined: August 11, 2009 The best videogame ever is: Cave Runner A good name for a band would be: Eviscerated Meatpipe	Heh heh. I did say have at it, but it would not go undefended. Hey, what the heck.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 06:48 PM Post #94
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	Well, I know when to throw in the towel. That's essentially your level forevermore. I cannae be chewed with it. I guess I'll just have to consolate myself with this.... The Final Conflict - 40.412.



myk	Nov 7 2009, 07:02 PM Post #95
Posts: 38 Group: Subscribers Member #4,725 Joined: August 11, 2009 The best videogame ever is: Cave Runner A good name for a band would be: Eviscerated Meatpipe	RevMarzikins Or rather 29.134. Under 30 seconds for The Final Barrier you say? Did you stop for a picnic?



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 07:06 PM Post #96
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	That's it. You are therefore required to FILM your speedruns in future before they'll be accepted. I swear to god you're finding hidden glitches somewhere that no-one knows of. Having played that level to death I can categorically tell you that there are NO MORE HIDDEN JUMPS AND ROUTES TO TAKE. No, you cannot collect those hanging keys while jumping towards the left. No, there is no room for you to jump over that alien while heading left. No, there is no faster way of getting onto the conveyer belt. I SWEAR TO EVERY DEITY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE. aaaaaaaaand deep breath



RevStu	Nov 7 2009, 07:24 PM Post #97
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,580 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	23.740? How in the name of Jeebus? I can't test because my DS is charging, but unless there's something off somewhere that's letting you jump from the top-right keys back to the conveyor, which shouldn't be possible and certainly isn't on the Speccy, I can't even BEGIN to imagine how that's being done.



RevMarzikins	Nov 7 2009, 07:33 PM Post #98
LOAD"*",8,1. READY. RUN. Posts: 2,738 Group: Subscribers Member #441 Joined: December 10, 2004 Football bias: Poncey Millionaires Utd The best videogame ever is: always changed at random A good name for a band would be: Asshole Full Of AIDS	Well, having vented, I decided to change one half of my route slightly, which nets me a more impressive 24.232, but I still can't work out how myk managed to chop off five hundredths of a second, even after replaying the level over and over. This may well be inaccurate, for maths in terms of fractions was never my strong point. Edited by RevMarzikins, Nov 7 2009, 07:36 PM.



RevStu	Nov 7 2009, 07:34 PM Post #99
Laird/Beast Of Glencairn Posts: 18,580 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 6, 2003 Football bias: Aberdeen, Scotland, Man Utd The best videogame ever is: Super Mario Galaxy A good name for a band would be: Most Things Are Awesome If You Think About It	Aha. It is indeed possible to get back over. Tsk. 23.616!



myk	Nov 7 2009, 07:36 PM Post #100
Posts: 38 Group: Subscribers Member #4,725 Joined: August 11, 2009 The best videogame ever is: Cave Runner A good name for a band would be: Eviscerated Meatpipe	I swear I play within the rules, guvnor. I have thought about recording these though - I could try using my phone, but I'd have to strap it to my head or something. RevStu 23.740? How in the name of Jeebus? Tell me about it. My subsequent attempts have yet to yield anything better than 23.946!



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