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Soccerball; in the US of A
Topic Started: Apr 5 2009, 01:04 PM (3,422 Views)
mud338


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Sep 29 2009, 05:18 PM
Just looking at the remaining fixtures, of the four teams who are realistically fighting for the final play-off spot, both Seattle and DCU each play games against Columbus, the league leaders, and Kansas, who are finding some late form. The other fixtures are against Dallas - again, in some form - and Chivas respectively. I think both teams need to cross their fingers and hope that Columbus fields a weakened team now they've qualified. Faltering RSL do have a game against New York but then face TFC away and finish the season with a tough game against Colorado, who will likely be looking to cement their own play-off place.

Besides the home game against RSL, TFC's two other games (one home, one away) are against the two worst teams in the league. Is it unfeasible to think that TFC could just nick it?
There's definitely a possibility we can make it, it'll take three wins in a row (something that has only been achieved twice in the teams history) and some of the other results going our way to happen though.

I think the fixtures we've got couldn't have worked out better, results in the home games should give the team enough momentum to go get the win away at New York. My biggest worry is what will happen if the team is trailing at any point, the pressure will be on and we've already seen this season that for some players the gameplan goes out the window if the team is not on course for the required result once the second half starts, hopefully the coaches will have planned for this and in the event it the team does go behind we avoid similar scenes to those in the 2nd leg against Puerto Rico.
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finally, i can be the Ssounders, fifa 10 on the iphone is out
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Columbus had a home unbeaten streak stretching back to before the playoffs last year, but we got a goal early in the first half after a goalkeeping error and rode our luck for most of the rest of the game, including a shot off the inside of the post, a missed penalty and an overhead kick goalline clearance that may well end up winning save of the week. Elsewhere, New England faltered badly with a loss at Dallas and a draw at Colorado, allowing us to leapfrog them both and effectively negating the benefit of NE's games in hand, while DC lost to Chivas and are close to elimination from the playoffs. Chivas have 4 games remaining still and I think only need 3 points to confirm a playoff place.

Romanista: Fifa iphone looks nice, but from the sounds of it the gameplay's less than optimal. I'm still playing SWOS, so it's got a lot to live up to.
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We were really hoping you were going to lose that game to help our own playoff chances. Other than your result and that of San Jose Vs New York the other games this weekend pretty much went the way we needed, Chicago lost to LA, Chivas beat DC and Colorado drew with New England, this keeps our slim playoff hopes alive for one more weekend at least.
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Mmm, it wasn't very beneficial to your playoff hopes, but I think you're still in with a fair shout provided you can get some points at your end. Colorado I think is out of reach given their last two games are Dallas and RSL, but DC have pretty much screwed the pooch (Crew and Wizards are their last 2 games; I give them 3 points max from that) and New England have a big ask despite having 3 games left, as two of those are against the Crew and the other is against Chicago, so they're going to be grateful for any points they can get. If you can get 6 points - and as I said earlier, your run in is easier than the other contenders - then why not? It's pretty much a toss up for the 8-10 spots (although granted, you are still most likely to finish 9th...)

(Edit: MLS agrees!)
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Only 3 games on international weekend, but all involved playoff hopefuls. TFC had a great chance to leapfrog DC to tie the Revs in the last playoff spot, but leading into the 93rd minute they conceded off a corner, dropping 2 points that would have been vital had the other teams not done worse: Kansas City's playoff chances were finally snuffed out by a 2-0 loss at Chivas, while New England lost 1-0 at home to Columbus. Overall TFC's statistical chances should only drop by a couple of percent.
Edited by Targaff, Oct 11 2009, 04:49 AM.
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Oct 5 2009, 03:06 AM
Romanista: Fifa iphone looks nice, but from the sounds of it the gameplay's less than optimal. I'm still playing SWOS, so it's got a lot to live up to.
swos on 360? in for a game?

warming up to fifa iphone, need a football fix on the road at times

you're now so secure over the sounders position you're following TFC?
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criticism is good
http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/want-to-grow-soccer-in-the-us-it-takes-honest-criticism-not-a-pollyanna-approach/6211
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Oct 12 2009, 12:09 PM
you're now so secure over the sounders position you're following TFC?
Heh, no, there's still 5 teams, I think, that could still overtake us and knock us out, so we're not safe yet, but of the rest of the teams in the race I'd rather see TFC get into the playoffs than the rest. Unfortunately both the LA teams have passed the post already, so it won't be at their expense...

I don't play on the XBOX, soz, just the PC versions from sensisoccer.de. Also, I'm not very good ;)
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Sounders can't score for toffee at home, but our away form continued with a win that put us into the playoffs with a game left to play. KC looked terrible, but after dominating the first half our defence apparently reached the same conclusion and decided not to bother following runs in behind, conceding twice in 3 minutes after the restart from nearly identical balls. We managed to get the result we needed with two in reply, but it wasn't great to watch by any means.

It's a relief not to have to look over our shoulders, because the race for the remaining spots is extremely tight: Chicago drew with the Revs and are near lock for one with 42 points, but there are 5 teams competing for the remaining places - Colorado lost and remain on 40, while DC, TFC and Dallas all won to join the Revs on 39. All have one game left; TFC's tie against the Red Bulls is by far the easiest, but they have a bad head-to-head with the other teams, so they'll have to have their fingers crossed. The injury time goal by San Jose last week might well end up being their downfall.
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Congratulations on reaching the playoffs.

That result from last week could come back to haunt us, but then conceding late goals has been the story of our season and if we don't reach the playoffs that as well as a few other major issues will need to be addressed in the off-season if we're to have a better chance of improving next season.

Yesterdays win should mean the team heads to New York with a little extra confidence, something that definitely needed a boost if we're to come away with the required result. It'll be a case of fingers crossed and if it all goes wrong well there's always the Leafs to fall back on...



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I saw a stat somewhere that said you've conceded 15 goals in the last 15 minutes, by far the worst record. Still, according to the MLS you've got the best record of the other teams on 39 points, so if you can get that win you should be sorted.
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That stat is true, the team basically seem to lose their heads tactically around that point in a match and all defend overly deep with no outlet meaning they face constant pressure that usually leads to an opposition goal. It's a weird one really as everybody being talking about it as a major problem for a while now but they still haven't been able to sort it out.

To get the win at New York the team needs to approach the game in the right way, against San Jose there seemed to be a feeling that they were just going to roll over and give us the win. For New York it'll be their last game of a poor season so I'm sure they'll want to try and go out on a high with a win in front of their own fans, so we need to go there prepared for what will be a tough match if we're to come away with the win.
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so, congrats for the playoffs, will the supporters shield be celebrated (a proper scudetto) by crew?

and some love for giants stadium
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20091022&content_id=7526610&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp


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Question. I usually only ever see MLS highlights, if I see any MLS at all, and I was of the opinion that the standard was probably somewhere between League One and Championship level.

Due to a bout of insomnia last night I ended up watching the Chivas-Chicago game live on ESPN. Now, it was windy and pissing down, and the commentators were quick to point this out every five seconds, but the conditions didn't look *that* bad to me. And yet that was probably the worst game of professional football I've ever seen - I'm not indulging in pointless hyperbole when I say they looked like two very fit Sunday League teams, that's absolutely what it looked like, passes going wildly astray, nobody able to keep possession for more than ten seconds before immediately giving it away, a team racking up something like twenty corners and only fashioning one cross worthy of the name which a defender then acrobatically leapt to smash it head-first into his own net, a team one-nil down with seconds to go passing it back and forth ineptly in midfield... It was just woeful.

I'm not having a dig for the sake of it, I love American sports and would be overjoyed if the MLS became one of the world's top leagues. I'm just genuinely curious (and I know it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, least of all to the "new" American fans who haven't watched much (or indeed any) soccer before) - was this just a total aberration? Are Chicago and Chivas just both shit at the moment, and not representative of the league (I know Chicago got into the playoffs with that win, but the stat was that they'd lost their last 7 or something - so would this be like someone watching Stoke v Hull and deducing that Chelsea are rubbish)? Or were the conditions so atrocious that although it didn't show on camera, it was genuinely unplayable? Basically, what I'm asking is, you guys who watch MLS on a regular basis - how good a game of football do you usually get to see?
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chivas is nr 2 in the league..
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Oct 23 2009, 12:04 PM
were the conditions so atrocious that although it didn't show on camera, it was genuinely unplayable? Basically, what I'm asking is, you guys who watch MLS on a regular basis - how good a game of football do you usually get to see?
I think the forecast gives a better idea of how bad the weather was than how it looked on TV: they've had almost as much rain in the last 24 hours as they typically get in the entire month of October (which is almost exactly the same as the UK average for the same period, coincidentally), and it's the wettest October for 3 decades, which is why flood warnings are in place for the region. I only caught the last few minutes, and it was a terrible game, but you could've put the Real - Milan game out there and it would've been difficult to watch.

I'd say your original assessment of the level of quality probably isn't far off; from time to time you get great games, sometimes you get complete doggerel, usually it's mediocre but worth watching. I don't know whether ESPN's going to be showing any of the playoff games, but if you can catch one of those you'll probably get a better idea of where it's at.

I just remembered my parents are in Chicago this week... bet that's been fun.
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We went behind early at home and looked like we'd be extending our goalless home streak, but we finally managed to bring it to an end at 375 minutes, then added another 5 minutes from time to end Dallas's playoff run (the league's golden boot, Cunningham, had scored 16 goals for them in the last 15 games). Dallas weren't the only playoff contenders not to step up, though: DC needed a win but conceded a penalty in added time and were held to a draw by Kansas City while Toronto got hit for 5 by New York, of all teams. If they'd not conceded against San Jose, they would've been in.

In the end it was the two teams with the lowest probabilities for qualifying who got in, RSL beating Colorado 3-0 to leapfrog them into the last spot, and New England put a second home defeat on Columbus to put a modicum of respectability into the Eastern Conference.

If you're after an objective opinion of the quality of the MLS, incidentally, my dad went to last night's game and while he thought the atmosphere was great, his verdict on the football was "still got a bit to go". And he's a Southampton fan.

Playoffs start this Thursday, and they're essentially 2-leg cumulative quarter finals with no away goal rule.
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that ny-toronto game must have been horrible for TFC supporters, with all the other games going their was essentially... and 53% percent of the teams are still in it, what feels a bit weird, next year down to 50..

at least the giants stadium got a good goodbye, lets see what the redbull arena will do, it does look nice, compact footbally on the pictures..

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Yeah the weekend sucked, it was a terrible performance and the team basically bottled it.

There has been a lot of fallout since, there's talk of major problems in the dressing room and Chris Cummins has already been 'relieved of duties' and I'm sure he won't be the last big name out the door before the team takes to the field for next seasons home opener, whatever happens it's going to be an interesting off-season.
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well, the 0-0 and no away rules makes it a proper cup match at Dynamo Houston's stadium.. how was the game, 35.000 people, should''ve been good

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Yeah, can't knock the atmosphere but the result was a bit disappointing, as we were the better team for the vast majority of the game, although. Houston put some pressure on us at the start of each half. Headers were the order of the day - their 3 real chances were all from headed crosses, while we had one off the crossbar, one saved point blank and one cleared off the line. Houston played quite a dirty game, too - 18 fouls to 6, and their entire back line could've been booked for fouls on Ljungberg alone.

The other playoff games are over the weekend, then second legs next weekend. I don't really fancy our chances down in Texas, though, since we just can't get the ball in the net; with the two tightest defences in the league I reckon Houston will get a 1-0 win.
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you had some away form lately didn't you?

and it is nice to have the first sports playoffs game of two teams sharing the same facility since the 1944 world series, but the overuse of the word Superclasico for the LA derby makes me want to puke.. there is only one Superclasico, and that is between two clubs originating from La Boca.

(for me of course the most important derby game is the derby della capitale )
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I didn't know the origins of it, actually, I just assumed it was something they'd coined. I'm not sure it's really worth getting het up about, though...

Both the RSL and NE wins were pretty impressive given how they finished the season. I think both have a really good chance of getting through to the conference finals, especially RSL if Columbus's home slump continues. LA/Chivas could go either way, though by the looks of the game this weekend it'll probably be decided by an own goal.
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RSL dumped regular season top team Columbus out of the playoffs with a 3-2 in Columbus - their third home loss in a row after over a year unbeaten. Last year eastern team New York were Western Conference winners, and there's a good chance now that RSL will return the favour this year.

Normally women's college soccer isn't particularly aggressive, but there are occasional exceptions...
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