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The DSi; Nintendo incremental lust carnage.
Topic Started: Apr 2 2009, 04:13 AM (2,304 Views)
GeeZa
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What's the WoS consensus? Personally I thought the Lite was pretty close to perfection and yet I'm really struggling to fight off the urge to buy a DSi this week with monies I don't really have. I'm so hoping DSiWare or whatever it's called proves to be a hit because downloading small bite-sized pieces of gaming excellence just sounds like a killer idea.

Anyway, the DS rocks. I can't resist. The blue one though, hmmmm, not so much.
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GeeZa
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Of course one could always reply to this topic:
Original DSi thread
Apologies.
Edited by GeeZa, Apr 2 2009, 04:21 AM.
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Ian Osborne
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Great avatar! :D
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Malc
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Slightly different scenario for me.

I bought a DS just before the DSlite was announced, and still have it.

Should I be looking to buy a DSlite or DSi (the hinge has broken on the DS chunky and it's getting worse so would give that one to the kids)
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RevStu
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Laird/Beast Of Glencairn

Unless you have a very specific reason to get the DSi, then the Lite is hugely better value.
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Scarysheep3000
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Get up and Go!

The DSi will be future-proof, though. And the DSi shop might host some nifty games in the future. Worth spending the extra £50 for that?

Con: lack of R4 etc support.
Edited by Scarysheep3000, Apr 2 2009, 12:33 PM.
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Scarysheep3000
Apr 2 2009, 12:33 PM
The DSi will be future-proof, though. And the DSi shop might host some nifty games in the future. Worth spending the extra £50 for that?

Con: lack of R4 etc support.
Lack of R4 support for now at least, I shouldn't imagine it will take the clever cracking chaps/chapesses too long.

I can't justify the £150 to be honest. If my DSlite broke today I'd replace it with another lite.
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RevStu
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There are working DSi flashcarts available now, though there isn't the choice there is with the DSL. I don't see "future-proofing" being any sort of issue. Nobody is going to develop DSi-specific games that exclude the 100-million-strong DS userbase unless they're either (a) Nintendo, or (b) complete cretins.
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I picked up a DSL the day of launch and have had much love for it since (it's been a little dusty of late; too much running and Fallout-ing). When I heard the announcement of the DSi I was intrigued; having churned out a large post about how pointless the DSi is I recalled one of the initial points raised: downloadable software. It's not anything that has tempted me hugely on the Wii but, with the correct targeting and pricing (micro-games based on high scores or a new version of Tetris for a few quid) the purchase could be justified*. Later. So hold fire, Mr. G, would be my advice.

*On the proviso that some actual internet hero doesn't devise a way to play these downloadable games through a DSL with a thingummyjigger. An R4 type o' thing.
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jonarob
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I got an amusing letter from GAME the other day saying I could pop in and get a DSi for just 70 quid if I trade in my DS Lite, 360 Premium or Nintendo Wii.

I mean, seriously? Are people likely to trade in a Wii, which is reportedly RISING in price, and worth more than £150 second hand for a DSi, when they can just trade in a Lite?
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jonarob
Apr 2 2009, 01:44 PM
I mean, seriously? Are people likely to trade in a Wii, which is reportedly RISING in price, and worth more than £150 second hand for a DSi, when they can just trade in a Lite?
That would be particularly bonkers wouldn't it?

I'm probably going to pick up a DSi this week, largely because my wife wants my Lite so that's a sortof very weak excuse. Plus WPA Wifi is nice (even if old DS games wont use it - buy the Nintendo Router!?!), the slightly larger screens, reportedly improved dpad and DSiWare all seem to me to be nice, if rather small enhancements. I do like the new design too. Hmm, tempting.
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I'll get one when mine dies. As it's built fairly solid, it may be a while. The DSiX+iTurbo Z-Edition will be out by then, no doubt.
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Burai
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Disappointment

RevStu
Apr 2 2009, 01:10 PM
Nobody is going to develop DSi-specific games that exclude the 100-million-strong DS userbase unless they're either (a) Nintendo, or (b) complete cretins.
That's the the entire games industry!

As much as I hate the idea of the DSi, eventually there will be something come out for it that's completely irresistible and I'll be there with my cash and dignity in hand when that happens, hopefully after a price drop.

The DSi shop has already got some great stuff going up tomorrow and I'm certainly not underestimating the lure of the camera, faster hardware with tons more RAM and better copy protection and region-coding for DSi-enhanced and DSi-only software for a fair few publishers.
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The best thing about the DSi as far as I can see is the fantastic little animation program. It looks intuitive and excellent and with the stylus would be much better than the crappy iPhone one. Perfect for train journeys and quickly experimenting with some movement without getting the pencils and paper out. Man, if I didn't already have a Lite... and for that matter had a spare £150 I'd buy one instantly.

I'll have to keep my eye out for a way to scam a bargain one. Are they still region locking them?



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GeeZa
Apr 2 2009, 02:16 PM
Plus WPA Wifi is nice (even if old DS games wont use it - buy the Nintendo Router!?!),
why shouldn't work on older ds games, wifi was always something done by the ds itself not?
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Burai
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romanista
Apr 2 2009, 08:15 PM
GeeZa
Apr 2 2009, 02:16 PM
Plus WPA Wifi is nice (even if old DS games wont use it - buy the Nintendo Router!?!),
why shouldn't work on older ds games, wifi was always something done by the ds itself not?
It was, but old software can't address the new networking modes that the DSi has.

DSiware and DSi-enhanced/only software can however.
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Burai
Apr 2 2009, 08:32 PM
romanista
Apr 2 2009, 08:15 PM
GeeZa
Apr 2 2009, 02:16 PM
Plus WPA Wifi is nice (even if old DS games wont use it - buy the Nintendo Router!?!),
why shouldn't work on older ds games, wifi was always something done by the ds itself not?
It was, but old software can't address the new networking modes that the DSi has.

DSiware and DSi-enhanced/only software can however.
I've played on my DS online once with Planet Puzzle League. I've no real desire to play any DS games online. The DS is used exclusively when I'm out and about. As I believe, is its purpose.

The Wii is possibly rising in price at the minute. Though not here in Doncaster where it's seemingly dropping like a stone. I've had one since before christmas, being offered out at £80 (no game or box) but no takers. I've just sold one boxed and perfect for £150 on Amazon (resulting in about £120 back to me) which sold in in hours. They had dropped to about £120 online not long ago.
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Nirejhenge
Apr 2 2009, 10:41 PM
Planet Puzzle League. I've no real desire to play any DS games online. The DS is used exclusively when I'm out and about. As I believe, is its purpose.
I do tend to agree but the on-line element of the DS could be great. I remember playing a bit of Metroid Hunters and Mario Kart on-line and thinking woah, this is on a dinky little handheld. If done properly it can be a worthwhile (and still optional) added dimension to DS gaming. It's just something tells me Nintendo's heart isn't in on-line gaming, or they just don't see where the cash is coming from. I still think there's something intrinsically cool about gaming on-line with the DS.
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jonarob
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Wait, the DSi is region locked? They can fuck themselves, then.
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GeeZa
Apr 3 2009, 12:42 AM
I do tend to agree but the on-line element of the DS could be great. I remember playing a bit of Metroid Hunters and Mario Kart on-line and thinking woah, this is on a dinky little handheld. If done properly it can be a worthwhile (and still optional) added dimension to DS gaming. It's just something tells me Nintendo's heart isn't in on-line gaming, or they just don't see where the cash is coming from. I still think there's something intrinsically cool about gaming on-line with the DS.
Had some great tyimes playing mario kart online before it was ruined, and liked the profiling functions of new track and field. Hated the browser; did a bit animalcrossing but not much. and the scoreboards of SIE were nice.. not really looked into the functions of ds gta yet..

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he five games are WarioWare: Snapped!, Pyoro, Paper Plane, Art Style: AQUITE and Art Style: CODE

Pyoro and Paperplane, the games we have unlocked in warioware 1? art style, the new name for the bitstream games for the gba? mmm not that exciting yet eh..

still, the though oif not being able to play a new warioware game ..grr

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jonarob
Apr 3 2009, 08:20 AM
Wait, the DSi is region locked? They can fuck themselves, then.
No it's the same as the regular DS for normal games. The restrictions are around the DSi store and downloadable games. Access is region-specific I believe and I even heard that the games are tied to the system.
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When you say Pyoro, I hope they haven't cheaped out and only given you one of the Pyoros. (Pyoro 1 is the 'tongue' one, Pyoro 2 is the 'spitting' one, which I think is better.)
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No it's the same as the regular DS for normal games.

That hasn't been confirmed, has it? As I understand it the system may be locked for games on cartridge too.
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Apr 3 2009, 02:03 PM
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No it's the same as the regular DS for normal games.

That hasn't been confirmed, has it? As I understand it the system may be locked for games on cartridge too.
It's not happened yet, although the DSi now has firmware updates. But it's not true to say it's region-locked, those who imported from Japan are still able to play all their DS cart games (I think). It is entirely possible that Nintendo might demand all games be region-locked from now on but that would be:

a) Stupid.
b) Not-backwards compatible with older DS models.
c) Stupid.

Post-DSi games in Japan are still region-free afaik, but I agree, who knows where Nintendo will go once they have power over the firmware. The hard region-locking seems to be centred on the DSi store for the time being.
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