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State of the Union
Topic Started: Feb 4 2006, 09:50 PM (1,015 Views)
tsrill
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Funny that schools/universities seem to work here, while they all failed quite miserably in micronations.

Punk, what kind of topics where taught in the schools/universities in NS that you know of?
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Punk D


RP, Antagonism, Foreign Policy, Initial Gameplay, Invading, Defending

and there's been a Francoism class that supposed to start in TP....
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Caer Rialis
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You know, DWC started up a school for government on the Market Street. It was the Machiavelli School of Political Arts. Perhaps that might be a better venue for schools?
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Todays Whim
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As a new member to the SP i just wanted to say that yes all the governmental
charters, topics, threads, and thousands of posts dealing with the SP's governing
are quite intimidating.

I have little imagination so i don't plan on taking part in RP.

Basically i'm just looking to debate whatever crazy un proposal is up for voting,
say my peace, make my vote and see how it turns out.

It seems to do this i go to the topic entitled THE DELEGATE'S BOARD

Perhaps some mentioning of the un in the topic would generate more involvment.
Perhaps those who wish to participate already are.
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parrrrtay
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I think when people post in the welcome thread they could invite them to visit someplace via a link, not just the welcome host. Everyone could take a moment and do this...

Hi we are all having coffee at Fudgie's Coffee House stop in for a hot java.

Welcome to TSP are all playing games HERE why don't you join us?

You can read everyones Confessions here so stop in, and don't be afraid to make a confession or two of your own.

Don't just say HI welcome TSP..........(boring)

Create a cheer :jd:
Give them a drink :shooters
or a badger buddy :bb:
or maybe some flowers :flw2

Leading them in a direction is more helpful than you would think.
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goddessness
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nice, thank you for that.


We have discussed a skin change, and picked a skin, Fudgie is working on that for me. We need active, willing people to take up the charge of wanting to implement their ideas. Also, what do we think of a militia?
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tsrill
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Militia? Please explain in more detail?

Todays Whim made a good remark, we should get the people here who are mainly interested in UN resolutions. Maybe we need a section specific for NS gameplay related stuff? (resolutions, issues, and all that).

We have plenty of space for the game politics, for off topic chat, for roleplay, but we don't have much that is related to the game itself.

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bistmath


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Feb 5 2006, 12:59 PM
Okay, if TSP had former glories.  Why don't we just go back to the values and policies that made those 'former glories'?  Whatever they were.  Also, Perhaps the South Pacific should play a more active role within the UN.  *Looks towards Mr Rialis*

I am sure this has been said, however. One of the things that made us great in the past was our delicate balance between the party atmosphere and deadly seriousness toward out freedoms. To regain our strength we may have to look, again, to the possiblity of serious playfulness.

millitia? as in millitary? the last time i was here we had a millitary...
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in terms of creating activity we have to have something for people to *do*. A militia creates a sense of community and actually gives players things to do which are integrated with the game, as in warzone activities.
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Marionetsvia
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Well, there could be many things.

Some people could be intimidated by the fact that when it comes to discussions on government functions, it is really involved, and those who newly enter the region can feel overwhelmed at first, and we need to show them that it's not as scary as it may look.

Secondly, we really need to be open to ideas and trust each other. The "if it ain't broke don't fix it" isn't working here, especially if there's a feeling of disunity going on. I have seen that anytime new suggestions are proposed, changing TSP government structure (a la Punk's political parties amendment), people who have been in the forums argue against and those who support or suggest such new ideas are argued down to the point that they new idea gets shot down. We need to change that and encourage people to accept new ideas, and not just stick with the old.

Thirdly, RP needs to be reorganised. Tsrill, TEPC, and I are in the process of re-structuring RP, and even creating a few RPs to get more people involved. And not just individual character RP as seen in The Market Street folder, but nation-based RPing, probably on a level similar to that of TEP. Yes, we're talking wars, alliances, treaties, state dinners, etc.

Fourthly, we need to do a lot of encouragement of those who are active in NS on the jolt forums or the RMBs to come to our forum and post here. We have 620+ members registered here. Of that, about 10-20 actively post here. That's about 1-3 percent of the total members. Of those members, only about 4 or so participate in the RP, about 6-7 in the government threads, and everyone in the Off Topic folders. We need to encourage people to get involved in all aspects of TSP, Off Topic, Government Workings, and RP.

Fifthly, we could start up schools like what Punk is proposing. That should be interesting to do. I know Lemuria has a similar school thing for RPing.

Sixthly, we're doing a good job welcoming new members, but we need to encourage them to become active members without smothering them. Point them first to off topic, then RP, then Government if they want to help make change or policy in the region.

With these suggestions, possibly TSP could be more unified and a better place for everyone, and we can all bask in the lambs, and sloths,and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit baskets, and....:P (sorry, poor monty python holy hand grenade reference here :lol:)
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FideiDefensor
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Todays Whim
Feb 7 2006, 10:25 PM
As a new member to the SP i just wanted to say that yes all the governmental charters, topics, threads, and thousands of posts dealing with the SP's governing are quite intimidating.

I found that too when I got here first - the two things that made me feel welcome were the kind of welcomes that Parrrtay posted above, and getting a grave-digging job in the Market Street. And some individuals who made the effort to PM me.

I was looking around Canada just now, as I do every now and then, and saw their "History of the Region", which was pretty interesting. I thought maybe we could do something similar as a kind of introduction to the region (and to show off about how great it is that it actually survived as a democratic region). A lot of people, me included, don't know all about the kind of struggles that happened early on, so it would be interesting to read. On the other hand, this could be potentially a lot of work for the few who've been around since the early days.

My other idea re. this was to come up with a "Government for Dummies" guide - i.e. who's responsible for what, a simple-terms break-down of the key rules, where you can get involved (DSP, ambassadoryness, etc.)

That's me exhausted for now.
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Lord Kitchener


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Feb 12 2006, 08:16 AM
Todays Whim
Feb 7 2006, 10:25 PM
As a new member to the SP i just wanted to say that yes all the governmental charters, topics, threads, and thousands of posts dealing with the SP's governing are quite intimidating.

I found that too when I got here first - the two things that made me feel welcome were the kind of welcomes that Parrrtay posted above, and getting a grave-digging job in the Market Street. And some individuals who made the effort to PM me.

I was looking around Canada just now, as I do every now and then, and saw their "History of the Region", which was pretty interesting. I thought maybe we could do something similar as a kind of introduction to the region (and to show off about how great it is that it actually survived as a democratic region). A lot of people, me included, don't know all about the kind of struggles that happened early on, so it would be interesting to read. On the other hand, this could be potentially a lot of work for the few who've been around since the early days.

My other idea re. this was to come up with a "Government for Dummies" guide - i.e. who's responsible for what, a simple-terms break-down of the key rules, where you can get involved (DSP, ambassadoryness, etc.)

That's me exhausted for now.

Actually, there is already a guide to the government and who to contact pinned within the Welcome Mat. I do however support the suggestion of documenting the history of The South Pacfic somewhere, which I must admit don't know much about myself.
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FideiDefensor
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Lord Kitchener
Feb 12 2006, 02:23 PM
Actually, there is already a guide to the government and who to contact pinned within the Welcome Mat.

Had a feeling there might be, sorry, I'll look harder next time.
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Marionetsvia
Feb 11 2006, 04:04 PM
Thirdly, RP needs to be reorganised. Tsrill, TEPC, and I are in the process of re-structuring RP, and even creating a few RPs to get more people involved. And not just individual character RP as seen in The Market Street folder, but nation-based RPing, probably on a level similar to that of TEP. Yes, we're talking wars, alliances, treaties, state dinners, etc.

What's stopping you creating an RP? Why can't you write an RP and see who wants to get involved? Why the hell do we need structure and organisation for something that is pretty much spontaneous and unscripted anyhow?

Think about it. Why add beaurocracy to the creative freedoms of people? RP is like a choose your own adventure tale. It is based on an initial idea posted by one person, and other people add twists and turns as it is written. It's one of the most ideal forms of creative expression. You are challenged by every twist and turn to maintain continuity and make the story plausible.

Dig through our archives. There's been some damn fine RP's in this region. 'Nation in Turmoil', 'The Sweetheart's Ball', The one with Nan and Tull with Htz in the Mob (sorry, I forget the name), Weddings, coming out balls, beach parties... there is a lot of good reading. The main problem with RP here is that it's only a few who want to play along, and most have been too damn busy to maintain them. So if you want a good RP, damn well get off your backside and start them. We don't need rules to govern them, that's why we have a 3WL and a charter.
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Marionetsvia
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please....i'm being civil here, no need for such flaming/insulting behaviour.

RP is not always with individual characters. Some like to RP with nations as well, like wars and other situations.

It needs to be organised because in the event of say, potential inconsistencies, godmodding, or what have you, there needs to be reasonable ways to deal with it. There should be folders for Nation-based RPing, individual character RPing (both of which can be free form), and an OOC forum to deal with any OOC issues that may arise, instead of cluttering up an RP with a lot of OOC talking there. Details do matter.

I don't see what the problem is in having a planned organisational structure, for something that has a lot of detail, like RPing.
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Marionetsvia
Feb 12 2006, 10:33 PM
please....i'm being civil here, no need for such flaming/insulting behaviour.

RP is not always with individual characters. Some like to RP with nations as well, like wars and other situations.

It needs to be organised because in the event of say, potential inconsistencies, godmodding, or what have you, there needs to be reasonable ways to deal with it. There should be folders for Nation-based RPing, individual character RPing (both of which can be free form), and an OOC forum to deal with any OOC issues that may arise, instead of cluttering up an RP with a lot of OOC talking there. Details do matter.

I don't see what the problem is in having a planned organisational structure, for something that has a lot of detail, like RPing.

You will not come into my office and tell people how to act, this is the second time you have done it and I don't appreciate it.

Start an RP and see how it goes, if there is interest then perhaps you can suggest legislation instead of simply arguing with others about the neccesity of the function.
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Marionetsvia
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i'm not telling people how to act. I merely stated that I was being civil, and I felt I was being insulted for an unjustified reason, which had no basis at all. I don't see how that is telling someone how to act.
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Marionetsvia
Feb 12 2006, 10:45 PM
i'm not telling people how to act. I merely stated that I was being civil, and I felt I was being insulted for an unjustified reason, which had no basis at all. I don't see how that is telling someone how to act.

It appears you might have a problem with seeing how your actions are incorrect in any manner. This is not the office for you to have free reign to offend people. read the rest of that post, which was far more pertinent, and act on your beliefs instead of arguing about what some may seem as your harsh way of phrasing things. I will not tolerate this disruption in my office again, and further posts that I feel fall into that category, will be deleted. Understood?
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Marionetsvia
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goddessness
Feb 13 2006, 01:48 AM
Marionetsvia
Feb 12 2006, 10:45 PM
i'm not telling people how to act.  I merely stated that I was being civil, and I felt I was being insulted for an unjustified reason, which had no basis at all.  I don't see how that is telling someone how to act.

It appears you might have a problem with seeing how your actions are incorrect in any manner. This is not the office for you to have free reign to offend people. read the rest of that post, which was far more pertinent, and act on your beliefs instead of arguing about what some may seem as your harsh way of phrasing things. I will not tolerate this disruption in my office again, and further posts that I feel fall into that category, will be deleted. Understood?

you completely missed my point.

I stated I was civil, and that I felt there was no need for such an attitude. I do not see how expressing my feelings, politely, can be construed as me telling someone else what to do.
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you were not polite, you never are, and I got your point. You are treading on harrassment.
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Asdif
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I would happen to disagree, Godessness.

Marion repeatedly stated that he wanted to be civil. He was posting constructive criticism. He was trying to improve the region.

Instead of trying to improve upon his (or her, I'm still new so I don't know) suggestions, they were shot down. Marion was threatened with warnings. For what, trying to help?

If anything, Godessness, you should be given a warning for flamebaiting. This post seemed to be full peaceful suggestions, until Marion was attacked. This, of course, is only my opinion.

An RP section does not have to be part of the government. However, there should be someone who watches over it, with Mod capabilities for that forum. I do think there should be an RP section.

This is only my opinion, but I have a feeling I am going to get a warning for it.
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Marionetsvia
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Asdif
Feb 13 2006, 03:09 PM
I would happen to disagree, Godessness.

Marion repeatedly stated that he wanted to be civil. He was posting constructive criticism. He was trying to improve the region.

Instead of trying to improve upon his (or her, I'm still new so I don't know) suggestions, they were shot down. Marion was threatened with warnings. For what, trying to help?

If anything, Godessness, you should be given a warning for flamebaiting. This post seemed to be full peaceful suggestions, until Marion was attacked. This, of course, is only my opinion.

An RP section does not have to be part of the government. However, there should be someone who watches over it, with Mod capabilities for that forum. I do think there should be an RP section.

This is only my opinion, but I have a feeling I am going to get a warning for it.

i'm a guy , no worries though.

Thanks. At least someone supports my idea. RP should be structured. Like all creative stories, it requires structure, or flow if you will, in order for it to be creative and thereby increase its entertainment value, be it individual character-based FFRP or nation-based FFRP (FFRP = free form role play)
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Caer Rialis
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Asdif
Feb 13 2006, 03:09 PM
This is only my opinion, but I have a feeling I am going to get a warning for it.

I think you may have misjudged us, Asdif, or have had yor ear bent by people with ulterior motives. You will not be warned for this; nothing you have posted violates the 3WL.

However, I will disagree with you on this point:

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Marion repeatedly stated that he wanted to be civil. He was posting constructive criticism. He was trying to improve the region.

Instead of trying to improve upon his (or her, I'm still new so I don't know) suggestions, they were shot down. Marion was threatened with warnings. For what, trying to help?


Marionetsvia was not threatened with a warning in this thread, not that I saw. The phrase Marionetsvia used:

Marionetsvia
Feb 13 2006, 01:33 AM

please....i'm being civil here, no need for such flaming/insulting behaviour.


indeed did try to tell someone how to act, as Goddessness pointed out. He felt the behavior was flaming and insulting, because he chose to read it that way. Just becuase someone disagrees with an idea, and disagrees strongly, does not make it insulting. You, Asdif, pointed out his was constructive criticism. So was Fudgie's post. She fees that we do not need added bureaucracy to the system. She cajoled Marionetsvia to start a role-play. Has he here?

I myself started a bunch of rp's. Some went very well, such as Private Investigations, and the brief From the Far Seas of the South Pacific; others took some time and fell off, such as
Realms of Fantasy and Grovers Corners; while others never got off the ground, aka
Chronicles of Lance Brickman. Does that stop me from doing more? Does that stop me from setting up rules, or working out the initial stages for new rp's? Of course not. However, I have not seen Marionetsvia try to open a shop in the Market Street, save for a shop duplicating a then existing business. I don't see him start up a news program. Rather than say what we need, why doesn't he, or anyone else, for that matter, just start something and see how it goes?

As for someone with Mod power. Each board has a mod. If in the Market, it goes to the Mayor; if on TV, it's Kloister. Further, we have several global mods and three Admins to keep an eye on things. I don;t know how much more is needed.
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Marionetsvia
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please....i'm being civil here, no need for such flaming/insulting behaviour.


indeed did try to tell someone how to act, as Goddessness pointed out. He felt the behavior was flaming and insulting, because he chose to read it that way. Just becuase someone disagrees with an idea, and disagrees strongly, does not make it insulting. You, Asdif, pointed out his was constructive criticism. So was Fudgie's post. She fees that we do not need added bureaucracy to the system. She cajoled Marionetsvia to start a role-play. Has he here?


It wasn't constructive criticism. She essentiially was rude and shouted at me. I wasn't telling someone how to act at all. I simply expressed the opinion that I saw no reason for such behaviour. Was I shouting in my post she responded to? No. Did I curse? no. I was calm and civil in my post. She is able to still be civil while getting her point across in a direct manner.
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Marionetsvia
Feb 13 2006, 05:31 PM
It wasn't constructive criticism. She essentiially was rude and shouted at me. I wasn't telling someone how to act at all. I simply expressed the opinion that I saw no reason for such behaviour. Was I shouting in my post she responded to? No. Did I curse? no. I was calm and civil in my post. She is able to still be civil while getting her point across in a direct manner.

I suggest this gets dropped now, Marionetsvia. I think people can misinterpret what has been posted quite easily. After all, there are a few posts where you yourself have been accused of being quite rude.
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