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The Nazis and NationStates
Topic Started: Jan 18 2005, 06:46 PM (225 Views)
Ure
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Education Matters

On the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz concentration camp at the end of the Second World War, I would like to protest on behalf of the millions of Jews, Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists, Socialists, Disabled and the Mentally Ill, that NationStates encourages and condones the past actions of Nazism by NationStates acceptance of many nations with openly Nazi sympathies and titles.

Quote from the NationStates web site: 'NationStates is a free nation simulation game. Build a nation and run it according to your own warped political ideals. Create a Utopian paradise for society's less fortunate or a totalitarian corporate police state. Care for your people or deliberately oppress them. Join the United Nations or remain a rogue state. It's really up to you'.
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Hah! What will be will be, and NS never claimed to be politically correct. I might add, Nazism, still exists and likely always will.
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tsrill
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I prefer to blame the individual players instead of nationstates.

Besides, nationstates has some rules in place considering nazi-ism. For example, swastikas are forbidden in flags, just as national or regional mottos that promote racism, AFAIK.

What worries me is the amount of people who have not learnt from the past and think Nazis are cool or something to that extent. Nazis, let me tell you: you are not cool, just plain stupid.

-Tsrill
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kloister
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Fudgie's 'Fronk'...

It is a fact that humanity has a pretty poor track record for not learning the lessons from history...
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DWC
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Re Nazis: don't ban them, that just makes them think people take them seriously. Mock them, tease them, and point out what losers they are; driving them underground just makes them feel important.

I enjoy Nazis going on and on about the supremacy of white people and dictatorship, yet they were comprehensively beaten by wimpy democracies and the 'racially-inferior' Russians...

Silly people...
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Eastwales
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0......Quack!!

I agree, to ban them would only give them crediblity in their own eyes, and make them believe that people are scarred of them.

It is better to keep them where they can be seen, that way they can be ridiculed and mocked as we see fit.

Bigoted losers!
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Caer Rialis
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I'm with you guys. Ban them or silence them through legal means, they can go to the various scum who crawl in dark places and say, 'Look what they did? See, I/we told you we were right."

Heck, I go so far as to sign any petition to put a candidate on the ballot in real life. Back in 1992 when David Duke, an avowed member of the KKK was running in the Republican presidiential primaries, I signed a petition for him. When my friends were aghast at that, I simply said, 'when he and his supporters see that he'll get less than one percent of the vote, that'll quiet them down."
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DWC
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David Duke! :P What a knob... I'd forgotten about him; last I heard he was claiming not to support the KKK and was running the "National Association for the Advancement of White People". He must have been doing well, he had a very obvious nose job and his nose looked like Michael Jackson's, which is kind of funny in a number of ways.

I remember when he was running as the GOP candidate in the race for Governor of Mississippi (not a high point for Republicans), against a former Democratic Governor who'd been convicted for corruption. I was driving down some highway and there was a huge billboard reading: "VOTE FOR THE CROOK!"

Sometimes democracy offers such lovely choices...
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tsrill
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On the other hand, Belgium has quite a big problem with the Vlaams Blok, gaining up to 20 % in the votes. They call themselves "nationalist" and balance on the edge of what is legally allowed. That they have recently been banned because they fell off that edge, won't stop them.
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The Vlaams Blok was banned? What happened? Beyond them being vicious racist wankers... although they've always been that way...

Pushing 20% of the vote underground is kind of scary. But having 20% vote for people like that is also pretty horrible.

In other European racist news French 'nationalist' Jean Marie LePen is defending the Nazi occupation of France as being 'not that bad'. Why European nationalists have a soft spot for being invaded by Germans, I don't know... must be a fondness for long leather boots...
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kloister
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Fudgie's 'Fronk'...

In the UK the BNP, (British National Party), has gained in profile following its increase in votes garnered from the polls...

Again they are bigoted and racist...But hey!..Free speech and the like...

But when some of our larger concentrations of ethnic cultures decide they have had enough i am sure the BNP will not have the numbers to fight in the street riots in places like Bradford and Leicester...
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htz3
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I pretty much agree with all that has been said here. The problem is as long as there is a willingness to hate there will always be some group be it NASI's or some group doing ethnic cleansing, or some religois zealots , ect.

It seems that education makes no difference. It seems hate is a very powerful tool.
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FideiDefensor
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curioser and curioser...

What worries, nay, pisses me off, is that 40% of Britons do not know what Auschwitz is or was, and that when talking about/displaying my propaganda art project, I can guarantee that around half of the people there will ask me "what's Auschwitz?", and look blank when I mention the holocaust. Disgusting.
But then I suppose that's beside the point.
Don't ban, educate.
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Kein Aber


I’ve worked with the development of small regions. And the propaganda from the Nazi regions showed up from time to time, on the Regional Board. One counter post I used was:

“Die NAZI Partei ist tot! Es starb mit Hilter. Des NAZIs haben kein Platz in der Welt! Wachsen Sie auf!”

(The NAZI a party is dead! It died with Hilter. The Nazi have no place in the world! Grow up!)

Most of the time this post worked.

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I'm with you guys. Ban them or silence them through legal means, they can go to the various scum who crawl in dark places and say, 'Look what they did? See, I/we told you we were right."- caer_rialis - Posted: Jan 19 2005, 06:02 AM


From what I understand the N/S MODs, watch for these Nations and Regions and deal with on an individual basis.

Should they be banned? I don’t really care.

We all joined Nation/States in hopes of finding a place where our beliefs and ideal could be discussed and acted out. The same applies to the Nazi’s as well, which is fair.

It’s only when they go about the spread their poison to other regions, their posts always pose a threat either real or perceived, and this is the practice that should be banned. There is never a reason to threaten someone who never before has had contact with you or your nation.

KA
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kloister
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Fudgie's 'Fronk'...

Kein Aber
Jan 21 2005, 04:22 PM
It?s only when they go about the spread their poison to other regions, their posts always pose a threat either real or perceived, and this is the practice that should be banned. There is never a reason to threaten someone who never before has had contact with you or your nation.

KA

This then gets you into a completely different ball game of trying to influence the rights to freedom, and most importantly the ability to make our own decisions without fear of condemnation for our faith, beliefs etc...
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j delight
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About the game: I figure that if NS has all kinds of UN designations and the ability to chose to burn your country to the ground in riots, then freedom of imagination is the rule of the day in this game. There are limits, as you point out, KA, and those are the things that the mods watch for. People within regions also have the ability to moderate their RMBs.


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Military Force
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Jan 19 2005, 06:07 AM
Re Nazis: don't ban them, that just makes them think people take them seriously. Mock them, tease them, and point out what losers they are; driving them underground just makes them feel important.

I enjoy Nazis going on and on about the supremacy of white people and dictatorship, yet they were comprehensively beaten by wimpy democracies and the 'racially-inferior' Russians...

Silly people...

even more than that they were beaten by their own people who realized it was bullshit (had ancestors in the german army as well as in the US army in WWII)
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Saturnistine
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Jan 20 2005, 02:25 PM
What worries, nay, pisses me off, is that 40% of Britons do not know what Auschwitz is or was, and that when talking about/displaying my propaganda art project, I can guarantee that around half of the people there will ask me "what's Auschwitz?", and look blank when I mention the holocaust. Disgusting.
But then I suppose that's beside the point.
Don't ban, educate.

That was after a British survey that found forty percent of British schoolchildren eight years old didn't know what Auschwitz was. When I was eight years old I didn't know about concentration camps, gas chambers, people ovens, etc. Did you?

It's just as important to understand all the available facts to a news story and not buy into the hype. Taking advantage of a terrorist attack is how the nazis were able to curtailed freedoms and solidifed their power.
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