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| Turkey and the EU; more politics... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 17 2004, 05:52 AM (190 Views) | |
| tsrill | Mar 17 2004, 05:52 AM Post #1 |
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This year, under the EU chairmanships of Ireland and the Netherlands, the decision has to be made whether the negotiations for the admission of Turkey to the EU will begin, or if Turkey will never (or at least not for quite some time) become part of the EU. What is your opinion? -Tsrill |
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| mavenu | Mar 17 2004, 09:11 AM Post #2 |
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어머나!
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yes, would show acceptance by "Christian Europe" of a muslim nation. In theory, could reduce attacks by al-queda. although i would expect that there would be some restriction of movement for work between the EU and turkey. for example, the new countries joining soon (poland for example, i think) have that restriction. |
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| Mearnskirk | Mar 17 2004, 09:31 AM Post #3 |
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I think Turkey should be encouraged to join, but the two main stumbling blocks have been their relationship with neighbouring Greece, in particular with reference to Cyprus, and their human rights record, in relation to both religious extremists and racial minority groups (Kurds). I think both need to be resolved as part of the entry process. I'm not sure I would classify Turkey as a muslim nation, however: more a secular nation where the dominant religion is Islam. Although I agree with the sentiment. |
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| bistmath | Mar 17 2004, 09:36 AM Post #4 |
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I have also thought turkey to be rather secular, rather than muslim. *need to re read turkish history* but didn't thier leader in the 1920's abolish some muslim aspects of the country? didn't turkey present themselves as a possible base of ops George III's war in the Gulf? Is turkey really a European nation? |
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| Dickvandyke | Mar 17 2004, 02:41 PM Post #5 |
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I don't think admitting Turkey to EU would help against terrorism. In fact, it might make it easier for such attacks to occur. Any Turkish citizen could get an EU passport, making it free for them to travel anywhere in europe. Once someone gets into Europe, it's fairly easy to disappear. Turkey is both European and Asian (the country is split into 2 parts). That presents a dilemma. It is the same issue with Russia. In my opinion, neither of those countries should join. The EU is big enough as it is. |
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| Yulia | Mar 17 2004, 06:56 PM Post #6 |
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With the addition of Russia, we'd all be doomed to face certain world-domination plots. Not that I'm not going to enforce that once I cross-dress and become the President of the US (you'll all vote for me, right?) anyhow...But the point is that I happen to be madly in love with Russia as it is.
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| htz3 | Mar 17 2004, 07:26 PM Post #7 |
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There will be some problems that will have to be worked out but Yeah I think it would be fine. Isn't Turkey considered part of Asia Minor? |
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| Molkovia | Mar 18 2004, 04:44 AM Post #8 |
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Don't Drink and Fly
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At the rate it's going I think Europe will soon stretch all the way to Kazakstan! :eyes: I don't know that stopping terrorism is a reason for letting Turkey join. Plus I don't know a vast amount (OK make that, I know naff all) about Turkey but I don't think their human rights record is a great one which would be another reason for barring them from the EU.... I guess that means I'm against them joining the EU then *shrugs* ...and Yulia...I'm with you about Russia. It has a strange, mysterious beauty to it. **wanders out dreaming of Troikas** |
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| tsrill | Mar 18 2004, 05:05 AM Post #9 |
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I think that Turkey should not join, for a while at least. Yes, Turkey is a secular nation, and I think that the Cyprus issue would only be solved sooner when Turkey is admitted. They have a different culture, but I don't think the Turkish view on government is completely alien. However, I fear that the admission of Turkey, and even more Russia, would impoverish the EU and could even lead to its economical downfall. Just look at what happened to Germany after it got united in 1989. I think the EU should first see how the current rate of admissions will work out, before continuing to expand with some 70 mln poor Turks and 200 mln poor Russians (I'm not sure about teh numbers, but it's something to that extend). This problem becomes even more intricate and political sensitive by the large Turksih minority in Germany (and to some extend, in Netherlands, Belgium and Austria as well). In Germany they fear severe riots when it is decided that Turkey will not be admitted. Compare it with America expanding with Mexico as 53rd (or whereever you are at the moment) state. We stopped the Turks in 1683 at the gates of Vienna. What can we do now? :lol
Why stop there? China, 2037! -Tsrill |
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| Dickvandyke | Mar 18 2004, 06:35 AM Post #10 |
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EU expansion has to stop somewhere. The issue is really over what is considered European. Yes, Russia and Turkey are partially in Europe. But what about countries that have citizens that are mostly of European descent (U.S., Canada, Israel(?))? Are these countries not European to some extent? In the case of Israel, their soccer teams already are considered European, just like Turkey's and Russia's. At some point, the EU needs to draw a line, otherwise the next country on the border will always try to get in. |
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| mavenu | Mar 18 2004, 12:36 PM Post #11 |
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어머나!
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isn't that NATO? if you want US and Canada
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| Yulia | Mar 18 2004, 06:49 PM Post #12 |
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...I love you, Molkovia.
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| Aurellis | Mar 18 2004, 11:04 PM Post #13 |
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Fugitive From the Fashion Police
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I think US and Canada are NORAD; NATO is the Western European answer to the Soviet Bloc. |
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| DWC | Mar 18 2004, 11:25 PM Post #14 |
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NATO includes Canada and the US and, I think, Iceland, in addition to the European nations. NORAD is Canada and the US, it makes us feel better about being completely dominated by the Americans... DWC |
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| bistmath | Mar 19 2004, 07:36 AM Post #15 |
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no we're in nato too and norad *looks down.* damn dwc beat me to it. |
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| Caer Rialis | Mar 19 2004, 07:56 AM Post #16 |
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Asleep
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NATO -- North Atlantic Treaty Organization Canda is on the North Atlantic. |
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