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alex's fault; it's nick again...
Topic Started: Oct 9 2009, 05:58 PM (400 Views)
Ryan
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well, alex ban nick nick for a long list of reasons, a couple of them are false, the only reason i know is that nick pmed me with the entire chat and the reason why alex banned him...and all i have to say is this:

Alex, get a fricken life.

the private chat between them went something like this:
Nick got angry about alex's lying to him and asked him to think about how he lied, alex never figured out that the thing with sabre icon (about her having the link to her icon that wasn't working, nick was going to fix it) was the lie he was talking about.

Then he talked about how not everyone on here has played the gs game, but saw it and liked to learn more or something like that and used me (yes, me, i never played golden sun) and cate as an example of those people. he said that he shouldn't...errrr... be so strict over it, or something like that.

at this point, alex is still asking about the lie. nick ignores this and continues:

Nick then mentioned that a minor name calling, like alex's comment to the new member, can be enough to cause the person to quit, mainly the new people, and only said this because his had cause someone to leave because of minor namecalling (same word alex used too). this happened on his own forums his older brother threw together.

after this, alex was still wondering what the lie was, and threaten to ban him if he didn't tell. nick sighed and said "abusing your powers again" alex counted down (in a stupid way too: 5,4,3,2/1.75/1.5 and so on) and nick got a little upset, sortof and told him to think. Alex threatenede to ban him agian and nick got a little mad and said "use your thin(i think he ment to said 'thick') little head and think, u idiot!!" and that is what pissed alex off enough to ban him, which i thought was fine, untill i saw the crapy reason. it went something like this: "for pissing me off, being a scumbag, acusing me of lying to him, FOR SAYING THAT RYAN SHOULD ALWAYS ANNOY RED(or has the right to), AND HACKING THE FORUMS!

WTH!!!! Nick almost forces me to never see red EVER! and i don't see why he would like for me to annoy red, so that one's out, and for the hacking, why would i? i have friends on here that is can only see on here, and nick loves this site, so he would have my head if i hacked this. crosses that one out.

that is what i have to say and thank alex, nick maybe back in....ohhhhh a month or so. and yes, the first few reasons i can understand(minus the scambag part) soooo, ya, i'm not happy, and red wants to talk to me asap so, this is all.
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redragon 309
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ok pretty much sums it up..... alright ill see what i will have to do.... however both parties (ryan, nick and alex must come talk to me on the chat box and have a discussion. the admins will come to a verdict after the hearing)
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I just banned Nick for what he said-I don't no if it was true or not-I just take things as face value.
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iluvsheba
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i did pm ryan so that he could put it up for me, but ryan called me and said that red wanted to talk to me, and after a closer look, ryan did leave out some stuff: first off, i was the one that started the chat. after seeing alex's reply to the newbie, i got upset and went to talk to him. people were on and talking about stuff, so i private chated so i would ruin the conversation to much. i told alex the i wasn't happy with him and started to list the reasons why. i acused him of lying because... last night for me, about 23 hours ago for the others, i asked him if i could have the link to sabre's icon so i could fix it and give it to her(and also said i see her more than he does, but that was only what i thought, i guess i was wrong or something), but he said no and that sabre already had the link he gave her and that he had fixed it. i really doubted that, but i figured that he at least gave the link to the icon the still wasn't fixed. a little later, alex dissappered and sabre was on, so i asked her if she wanted her icon fixed so it'll work on the chat, she said sure, but she didn't have the link on her, hence the lying part.

the next thing i said was about the fact that some people haven't played golden sun but saw it somewhere and liked it a lot, but couldn't find a copy or stuff like. i said that ryan and cate were people like that and that he shouldn't calls people like that fools or anything like that. namecalling a newble has haunted me because i had done the same thing, but the results weren't what i was expecting, and the forum my brother made lost at least 50% of the active members, and all the rest were not so nice people, and that has haunted me since then. so that was the thrid thing i brought up on my list. after that alex was still wondering what i ment when i said he lied, and told me that if i didn't tell him, he would ban me, so i mentioned the fact that he was abusing his powers. He started the count down thing. he was at something like .00000000001 when i said THINK!!! i gave him a time frame to go by so he could figure out what he lied to me about. he kept asking and i told him to use his little head and figure it out...after that, he went quiet, so i assumed he was thinking about it so i went to the main chat and just as i was about too say something, i was banned.

i read the reason, and saw a bunch of bullcrap reason and went to the private chat and said:
"WHAT THE HELL!!"

"WHEN DID I SAY 'ryan has the right to annoy red' or 'i'll ask ryan to hack the forum, or hack them myself', WHEN?!"


no answer.

suzu private chated me (or i did, i forgot who) and she asked me what happen. i said some of those reasons are true. then i needed to go someplace and seeing how i was pretty upset(that alex put words in my mouth), i wanted to quit, so i told suzu that i'll be back in a week then left.

thats what happen, weither u belive me or not, this is all i can said to my defence, i know i was the one who started talking to alex and the one who got him angry by not answering him, so i know i am to blame for part off this mess.


see you when this is dicided. i'll stay on today and tomorrow, but after that ryan or cate will keep me up to date
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suzumebachi
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Dear everyone,

Please don't insult each other when trying to point out a flaw in them. It makes you look bad. Sorry.

Hey. I wish you guys would get some hard evidence. Also, I understand your tactic of bringing other random friends to your aid (Thinking Elk), but can you get them to be respectful? Reasoning > Antagonizing each other.

I hope you can stick around, Nick. Alex, be nice.

Keep the peace until you can have solid evidence. Do you guys know how to use the print screen button?

And I hate the fact that I missed the awesome trial *bricked*
And I hate the fact that Novembre missed it to *bricked again*

Sorry!

-Prosecution Attorney Suzu (prosecuting John Brown XD )
ps. I have other things to say, but I can't put them into words right now. I'm being rushed D<
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redragon 309
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As stated by suzu, all of you guys do have your own faults and i know its pretty hard to admit. However, I see the real fault with Alex. First off to Alex: Alex, what you did was wrong and I have to admit its was harsh. You need tangible evidence to support your ban or the ban is voided. On a second note to nick, you should not have continued the argument. You should not have said stuff like "Ryan has the right to spam red or has the right to hack the forums". As stated, if you have a problem with ANY of the members, you should tell an admin or any mods and they will handle the problem. If there are none, PM any one of us and we will quickly resolve the problem.

Conclusion:

Nick should have have not been banned and his ban is voided as well as his warnings. However nick, because of your misbehavior, you will receive light punishment but this does not warrant a ban.

Alex's punishment will be decided by Caz and final.
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Oct 9 2009, 10:58 PM
"Then he talked about how not everyone on here has played the gs game"

"Nick then mentioned that a minor name calling, like alex's comment to the new member, can be enough to cause the person to quit, mainly the new people."

I'm guessing, that's me he was talking about.. huh?
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I suggest a posting ban for Nick for 24 hours, at least he can stick around the forum and cbox. Alex, in my opinion, should receive a demotion for a week or so.
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SailorLi
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ReiDeno
Oct 10 2009, 06:50 AM
Ryan
Oct 9 2009, 10:58 PM
"Then he talked about how not everyone on here has played the gs game"

"Nick then mentioned that a minor name calling, like alex's comment to the new member, can be enough to cause the person to quit, mainly the new people."

I'm guessing, that's me he was talking about.. huh?

No, he meant other user ^^' I can't remember his username, but he sweared in his welcome thread.

I knew something like this would happen :( I was worried about Nick's responces to Alex at forum and Alex's reaction to them.. I can't think of any punishment for Nick (it doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve any). But I agree with UG about demotion penalty for Alex.
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Oct 10 2009, 08:49 AM
I recommend a posting ban for Nick for 24 hours, at least he can stick around the forum and cbox. Alex, in my opinion, should receive a demotion for a week or so.

i stated there is no warrent of a ban. However it is up to Caz on what the punishment will be
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Meh...it's not really much of a ban, but maybe it sounds a little harsh. Sorry. ^^'
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SailorLi
Oct 10 2009, 01:06 PM
ReiDeno
Oct 10 2009, 06:50 AM
Ryan
Oct 9 2009, 10:58 PM
"Then he talked about how not everyone on here has played the gs game"

"Nick then mentioned that a minor name calling, like alex's comment to the new member, can be enough to cause the person to quit, mainly the new people."

I'm guessing, that's me he was talking about.. huh?

No, he meant other user ^^' I can't remember his username, but he sweared in his welcome thread.

I knew something like this would happen :( I was worried about Nick's responces to Alex at forum and Alex's reaction to them.. I can't think of any punishment for Nick (it doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve any). But I agree with UG about demotion penalty for Alex.

Li-lolwut?

I never swore in any welcome thread, Red warned someone else [I think it was Nick xd], so please-try and actually READ posts, instead of just going on rumour.
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SailorLi
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I'm sorry Alex, I don't have anything against you, but that ban that you gave Nick was done on impulse =/ I think you should still work on your temper in those situations.
The reason: He pissed me off' doesn't sound reliable. If he was insulting you harsh, then it's different matter. The same is with us, members - we can't ask mods or admins to ban someone, who is pissing us off. I was on the other forum and the admin (my friend) banned member, because she was teasing admin's best friend. No, that member wasn't swearing or insulting, she brought up unpleasant topic. I always thought that personal matters shouldn't be involved in judging people.

I don't take anyone side. Both of you (Alex and Nick) are guilty.
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*Groans*

You've just proved my point.

You dont read posts.

I didn't ban him for pissing me off.

PLEASE read posts.
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suzumebachi
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I can imagine swearing in greeting threads, but I don't recall any specific cases. I hope this person who hasn't played GS wasn't Primera (or however you spell that, no bricks or china cabinets, please XD), who is a friend of mine, Phantom, and Novembre. Oh, and Novembre hasn't played GS, either, (Forbid, she hasn't played anything, really), but she gets a lot of the storyline from Phantom and I. I'm not sure about Primera, but he's getting some of the characters from it, too. *rambles*

Well, I feel as if I've said this multiple times, but you guys have to learn how to use the print screen (PrtSc button on this laptop I'm on) button, to have some sort of hard record. I know by experience that stories can be contorted to any extent by misreading and clouding of minds... of course, we're talking 6th grade girls yelling about stupid stuff, but still. >..>.
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