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Star Wars !!!!; Spacey moods
Topic Started: May 13 2011, 06:12 AM (998 Views)
Phantom
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Oh exams...

I'm surprised as to how different colleges are from one another. A friend of mine has been done since April, and another finished around June. Maybe it has to do with something when you guys started...

Red dragon, lol. I likey. XD

(cookie if anyone can guess which dragon mine is. :P )
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labouka
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Gee, thanky Phantom. Yes the scrambling existence of the coleges can be mind bursting...
By the way can you help me with this:
I noticed that every time I post in other topics my posts count does not increase, but when I post anything to this topic that I started then those posts are counted normally. What's the prob ??? :huh?: :huh?: :huh?:
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Phantom
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A while ago, a member named Redragon restricted the post count on certain sections of the forum, to prevent members from accumulating posts too fast. He was very against spam...

When Red was demoted, the current Admins decided to just leave the changes he made to the forum. You might be posting in those sections. I know that the counting topic is in the Canned Lucheon Meat section won't increase your count, but other places should...

This area is also a section that should increase your post count. I'll check the Admin CP real fast to see which areas increase your post count, and get back to you in a moment.

Edit: It turns out that the Entertainment section wasn't increasing a member's post count. You might've been posting in that area. Everything else seems fine, though...
Edited by Phantom, Jun 29 2011, 03:53 AM.
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labouka
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Thanks a bunch Phantom. ^_^
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Phantom
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Glad to help. ^-^

(now if someone wants to restart this topic so we can get things back on track... XD)
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labouka
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You are right on this one Phantom. Where is Suzu or Phimi when you want to start a space subjected discussion ??? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
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Phimi
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Alright, what do you think the shape of the universe is?

I like the idea of a 4-dimensional hyper-sphere, as it could mean one of the quasars we are observing now is actually the Milky Way in the distant past.
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labouka
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Well truth is no one knows what the exact shape of the universe is. However Einstein and Hawking have stated that the universe has no shape whatsover-it just exists.

BUT, recent studies present a new theory that may as well topple them both.

Scientists have restudied the work of ancient Greek mathematician Euclid and the results are mind-crushing.

It would seem that most of Euclid's works, if tranlated correctly to the "language" of the universe, erase completely the 4-dimension universe theory, resulting in the absence of time as a constant of the universe, thus turning down the curving space-time theory and leaving only the "uncurvable space" to exist as the shape of the universe. If the universe truly applies to this, then it would be safe to assume that, if it is based in Euclid's Elements, it's shape would be that of any of the foreseen shapes throughout Element's.

Examples: Conics, Polygons etc. with the most approved shape being that of a ruled surface. (I also thing that it must be a ruled surface. A conic-shaped universe would really be weird. Also on the polygon theory, one must not assume that because of it being polygonal there exists the constant of time. All of the polygon's sides are regarded as constants referenced within the Euclidean geometry.)

In a nutshell, Euclidean geometry discards the theory of the universe being parabolic or hyberbolic, due to space-time curving it's overall shape (thus the supposed 4-dimensional shape), and because of this, the ruled surface theory is the most acceptable.
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Phimi
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That sounds like it's been written by someone who doesn't really know what they're on about. It is actually the other way around, with Euclid's work being disproved by relativity, though still being a good approximation (that's why it's still taught in schools, much like Newton's law of gravitation). Euclid's work only pertains to dimensions of space, in which case there is only 3, but says nothing about the unidirectional nature of a temporal dimension. I think the problem is the original author of that didn't truly comprehend multi-dimensional physics, though they can hardly be blamed, as it is impossible to visualise such a thing as a 4-dimensional shape, so false interpretations can arise fairly easily.
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It may be like this however, all the search for such informations, is done in the most valid sources one can find (individual authors-scientists who write their own books, scientific magazines etc.). And besides I didn't say that it was valid. It is merely speculated by all recent studies who, for a reason that I don't fathom (although I do believe that the best place to apply the laws of the dimensions of space, is Space itself), decided to resee Euclid's work, and so far all the results lead to this. But it is not whole yet, for something far more importand must be added to the research if they hope to get a valid result (this last bit is also referenced by all authors who have pertained on this matter).

Let's take a closer look to understand all that process with a simple example: We are Golden Sun fans. Suddenly Camelot releases information about the 4th game, but not comprehensable enough for us to understand. And so we, the fans, begin to contemplate over this and begin to speculate what possible things it might be, ending up with 2 most logical expanations. However, we don't know if they are valid or not. We simply render them correct because they are the most logical ones. Now, if Camelot comes and the explanation it gives is far more crazier than what we have anticipated, well, if it's that crazy thing, then that's that.
Consider science to be like Camelot: you can always theorize and speculate about how something works in the most logical or crazy ways, however the ending result would be much more crazy or much more logical respectively. Rare are the occasions were science (and Camelot) gave off the inteded result that many scientists (or fans) craved.

*It should be noted that, by no means, I'm comparing Camelot to science, I just use Camelot as an example to explain the scientific logic of conducting even such experiments as rethinking Euclid's works and it's validations.*
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Phimi
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I can see I'm getting nowhere with this method of communication, I'll reserve such conversations to me and the voices in my head.


*Short ending note: Euclid's work doesn't hold up for higher-dimensional mathematics. For a simple example, get a globe, draw a line from a pole to the equator, move the pen along about an inch, then draw another straight line back to the pole. Connect the two points on the equator by drawing around the LONG way, not in the inch-wide gap. You have just drawn a triangle on a sphere, and the internal angles do NOT sum to 180 degrees.
Edited by Phimi, Jun 30 2011, 08:26 PM.
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I hope I did not offend you with my recent post. Might as well be valid what you said. And besides, in theories such as these, we are free to stongly support our opinions. I don't remember the name of the person who said this quote, but this quote of his is what many conversations must be based on:

"I don't agree with what you say, but I will give even my life to protect your right to shout it wholeheatredly."

I don't want to give the impression of someone who tries to force his way of thinking into others. I'm just speaking out-loud my thoughts about the interesting points that you give.

Self-awareness time:

I truly hope I didn't offend you Phimi. If my anxiety has taken the best of me again, I'm exagerating and make all that ruckus for no apparent reason, then put me on a straightjacket and send me to someone who can give me a chamomile injection :Sweatdrop: (a quadraplet one just to be sure :P :P :P ).
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Phimi
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No, no, you didn't offend me, I just find it incredibly difficult to communicate, well, outside of my own head, so until computers have advanced to the level of direct neural links, I think I'd best stay out of things like that.

Soooooo, I'll change my question, to "What is your favourite astronomical object?"

Mine's M2-9, or the Twin Jet nebula.

Really I'm just asking for what's your favourite space related photo, doesn't have to be real. CGI of the Sun's bow shock is pretty too.
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I've got to admit, you have a wonderfull taste on these matters Phimi.

Mine is the marvelous Eagle Nebula.

That and this work of Art.

I can almost hear Brauner, a character from the Castlevania series, shouting, upon watching these: "This is ART !!!"
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Phimi
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Ahh, the Eagle Nebula, the first nebula I saw. Though personally, I think this image captures it's beauty much more.


Your turn to ask something.


*Bad news!!! The Eagle Nebula could have been destroyed by a supernova!! Though we won't know for about a millenia, so I guess we can relax. Kinda want to see it's new shape though. Time to go Futurama.
Edited by Phimi, Jul 2 2011, 04:45 PM.
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