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Do you concider yourself aligned with the neocons ?
Yes. 1 (16.7%)
No. 5 (83.3%)
Total Votes: 6
Who are you aligned with
Topic Started: Apr 30 2008, 10:07 PM (414 Views)
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What exactly is a "neocon" ? I actually know, but I often find that many from the left don't.

In fact, it's just a polite term for "fascist", as used in the current media and leftist intelligentsia.

Plus no "other" option. Many may not be interested in this poll because of it's over-simplification. However, I'll allow it.


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Technically speaking "neo" conservative means new conservative.

It originally referred to former liberals who changed their minds and became conservatives. Some of them became religiously zealous in their new mindset. Hence the perception of neo conservatives as extreme.

A stupid label if you ask me. Just about as dumb as labeling anyone with liberal tendencies as a communist.

I am not voting in the poll.
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So, what do we call a liberal who is zealous religiously? Oh, it isn't right to assign labels, sorry I forgot.
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i think this thread is more of attempt to provoke some into a flame war.

someone wants a few jabs at another
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"Religiously zealous" was not refering to religion per se. I was refering to the fervour that some showed for conservatism, not religion. "Religously" is a term used that way quite often.
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May 1 2008, 08:08 AM
"Religiously zealous" was not refering to religion per se. I was refering to the fervour that some showed for conservatism, not religion. "Religously" is a term used that way quite often.

either way.
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I seem to be missing your point 38957 :shrug:
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May 1 2008, 08:13 AM
I seem to be missing your point 38957 :shrug:

So conservatives who actually do more than pay lip-service to their religious beliefs are labeled disparagingly by the left and I guess those who take their conservative political beliefs seriously are labeled disparagingly by the left. It's ok to use labeling and prejudicial language like that as long as it is against white conservative and/or christian guys. I mean we do want to celebrate diversity and inclusiveness and all that crap, right?
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May 1 2008, 09:21 AM
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May 1 2008, 08:13 AM
I seem to be missing your point 38957  :shrug:

So conservatives who actually do more than pay lip-service to their religious beliefs are labeled disparagingly by the left and I guess those who take their conservative political beliefs seriously are labeled disparagingly by the left. It's ok to use labeling and prejudicial language like that as long as it is against white conservative and/or christian guys. I mean we do want to celebrate diversity and inclusiveness and all that crap, right?

I thought I made it clear that I think the label is wrong to use. I don't use the term "neo-conservative" ever because I think the original meaning has been totally lost. No one seems to understand what a real "neo-conservative" is. It is an insult now, rather then a term that simply means "new" to conservatism. Just as references to socialism show that people don't understand the differences between socialism and communism. Everything that doesn't fit thier own mindset is automatically "bad".

That's why I am confused about your comment. It doesn't apply to me at all. I have always been, and remain, a centrist. I abhor the labels - the one applied from both sides.

You seem sensitive about certain labels - but have you considered the ones the right throws out? Do you not get how ironic it is for some to be complaining about the labels when thier own side gives as good as it gets?
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Minuet
May 1 2008, 08:31 AM
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May 1 2008, 09:21 AM
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May 1 2008, 08:13 AM
I seem to be missing your point 38957  :shrug:

So conservatives who actually do more than pay lip-service to their religious beliefs are labeled disparagingly by the left and I guess those who take their conservative political beliefs seriously are labeled disparagingly by the left. It's ok to use labeling and prejudicial language like that as long as it is against white conservative and/or christian guys. I mean we do want to celebrate diversity and inclusiveness and all that crap, right?

I thought I made it clear that I think the label is wrong to use. I don't use the term "neo-conservative" ever because I think the original meaning has been totally lost. No one seems to understand what a real "neo-conservative" is. It is an insult now, rather then a term that simply means "new" to conservatism. Just as references to socialism show that people don't understand the differences between socialism and communism. Everything that doesn't fit thier own mindset is automatically "bad".

That's why I am confused about your comment. It doesn't apply to me at all. I have always been, and remain, a centrist. I abhor the labels - the one applied from both sides.

You seem sensitive about certain labels - but have you considered the ones the right throws out? Do you not get how ironic it is for some to be complaining about the labels when thier own side gives as good as it gets?

Forgive me, I wasn't directing my rant toward you, but more toward the topic starter. I should have made that clear.

Yes, I have considered the ones that the right throws out as well. When I would call Hilary a socialist, I mean it sincerely. Not just idle name calling. I think that she is a socialist and somewhat tames her message down for political purposes.
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May 1 2008, 09:18 AM
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I seem to be missing the point of this comment too :shrug:
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38957
May 1 2008, 09:38 AM
Minuet
May 1 2008, 08:31 AM
38957
May 1 2008, 09:21 AM
Minuet
May 1 2008, 08:13 AM
I seem to be missing your point 38957  :shrug:

So conservatives who actually do more than pay lip-service to their religious beliefs are labeled disparagingly by the left and I guess those who take their conservative political beliefs seriously are labeled disparagingly by the left. It's ok to use labeling and prejudicial language like that as long as it is against white conservative and/or christian guys. I mean we do want to celebrate diversity and inclusiveness and all that crap, right?

I thought I made it clear that I think the label is wrong to use. I don't use the term "neo-conservative" ever because I think the original meaning has been totally lost. No one seems to understand what a real "neo-conservative" is. It is an insult now, rather then a term that simply means "new" to conservatism. Just as references to socialism show that people don't understand the differences between socialism and communism. Everything that doesn't fit thier own mindset is automatically "bad".

That's why I am confused about your comment. It doesn't apply to me at all. I have always been, and remain, a centrist. I abhor the labels - the one applied from both sides.

You seem sensitive about certain labels - but have you considered the ones the right throws out? Do you not get how ironic it is for some to be complaining about the labels when thier own side gives as good as it gets?

Forgive me, I wasn't directing my rant toward you, but more toward the topic starter. I should have made that clear.

Yes, I have considered the ones that the right throws out as well. When I would call Hilary a socialist, I mean it sincerely. Not just idle name calling. I think that she is a socialist and somewhat tames her message down for political purposes.

Thanks for the explanation 38957.

I agree about Hillary being socialist - but only if we are using the term in it's original meaning which is far removed from communism. I see socialism as something that can (and does) work in a democracy.
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