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When the missus, or girlfiend asks her man; why do you love me .....?
Topic Started: Apr 29 2008, 11:39 AM (1,716 Views)
somerled
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captain_proton_au
May 6 2008, 03:42 PM
somerled
May 5 2008, 07:12 AM
captain_proton_au
May 5 2008, 02:57 PM
Dandandat
May 4 2008, 05:36 PM
Talk is cheap; actions are not

Which is why some men and women can say that they are faithful and happily married till they're blue in the face, i'm still not going to believe them, their eyes tell a very different story

Really ?

Your basis for that is .... ?

Has to do with what someone like 38957 is or will be an expert on


What 1/2 the gay male population starts training from around 5 yrs old, a guy with a younger sister starts around 7 yrs old, a guy whos first kid is a girl starts from when the daughter is 2 or so.

Being trained to look into that girls eyes more to get that adorable daughter look, its programmed into girls when they pop out to look for a certain set of eye and facial patterns in guys bigger than them and father figures and look into there eyes and bond with / subdue them, when that bond happens its sets of a little endorphin rush that makes both the girl and guy a little bit happier.

So the guy who's first kid is a daughter gets hooked on that little endorphin rush, starts looking for it more in other girls and other women (of any age, it never goes away). Starts looking at all girls eyes more, then human eye / facial recognition software kicks in, an it just becomes a matter of time spent matching all the different looks with different behaviours and they get better at reading girls than the average.

I know you have a daughter, doesnt mean you love her any less, just that , if I remember correctly you also have two sons, so its just about amount of time able to give attention to her which isnt infinite.


Its why guys that have a younger sister do better with women, guys that have the first kid a girl understand women better, and that half of the gay male population get on well with girls (although its not something a guy should work out before he starts thinking of sex, part of the reason they end up gay).


So back to reading the eyes of married couples, if the wife says they are happily married and you look to the hubby who looks like he's about to shoot himself, you know better, or the hubby says they are happily married and the wife is giving you sexy looks, you know better


Not all humans are equal in this regard, its all experience, time spent looking at eyes and faces as well as the number, so someone in a job where they see lots of people will be better at it than a guy that sits by himself in an office all day

:blink: :shrug:

Mmmmm looks like all those years of adulthood have not gone to waste ....

So oh wize guru .... what is the secret to finding ever lasting love ?
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somerled
May 6 2008, 05:44 AM

So oh wize guru .... what is the secret to finding ever lasting love ?

Well, i should ad, after saying all that, that its not really such a good thing working that out to young, having that centred father look too young, tends to attract the girls that arent so much about babies, some might be pretty, but its of little use if they jut want to cuddle all the time ;)

You need a bit of the sex in the eyes thing so your seen more as the prize bull amongst the cows, for a guys needs that is. That daughter look is adorable and that little bit of happiness you get from it is good, but it is like sex drive kryptonite ;)


As for happily married, the only time you see it is when there at least 3 kids, dont stop at one, only children turn out to be freaks (waves to all the only children on the board ;)), two...well its not enough to ensure everyone gets along, yes at least 3, or 0 actually, I know some older couples (relos and friends of relos that have none, but are happily married)

So 0 or 3 or more


As for ever lasting love, you shouldnt really marry a girl until you know that that baby making switch has been turned on, when they stop pining over guys like Orlando Bloom and start druelling over guys like Mathew McConahay.

Not that its ever really up to the guys anyway, still its nice that they let us pretend it is

Ok, family planning and parental advice from the guy not married with no kids, what the hell am I doing :lol: :blink: :no: ;)
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captain_proton_au
May 6 2008, 01:42 AM
somerled
May 5 2008, 07:12 AM
captain_proton_au
May 5 2008, 02:57 PM
Dandandat
May 4 2008, 05:36 PM
Talk is cheap; actions are not

Which is why some men and women can say that they are faithful and happily married till they're blue in the face, i'm still not going to believe them, their eyes tell a very different story

Really ?

Your basis for that is .... ?

Has to do with what someone like 38957 is or will be an expert on


What 1/2 the gay male population starts training from around 5 yrs old, a guy with a younger sister starts around 7 yrs old, a guy whos first kid is a girl starts from when the daughter is 2 or so.

Being trained to look into that girls eyes more to get that adorable daughter look, its programmed into girls when they pop out to look for a certain set of eye and facial patterns in guys bigger than them and father figures and look into there eyes and bond with / subdue them, when that bond happens its sets of a little endorphin rush that makes both the girl and guy a little bit happier.

So the guy who's first kid is a daughter gets hooked on that little endorphin rush, starts looking for it more in other girls and other women (of any age, it never goes away). Starts looking at all girls eyes more, then human eye / facial recognition software kicks in, an it just becomes a matter of time spent matching all the different looks with different behaviours and they get better at reading girls than the average.

I know you have a daughter, doesnt mean you love her any less, just that , if I remember correctly you also have two sons, so its just about amount of time able to give attention to her which isnt infinite.


Its why guys that have a younger sister do better with women, guys that have the first kid a girl understand women better, and that half of the gay male population get on well with girls (although its not something a guy should work out before he starts thinking of sex, part of the reason they end up gay).


So back to reading the eyes of married couples, if the wife says they are happily married and you look to the hubby who looks like he's about to shoot himself, you know better, or the hubby says they are happily married and the wife is giving you sexy looks, you know better


Not all humans are equal in this regard, its all experience, time spent looking at eyes and faces as well as the number, so someone in a job where they see lots of people will be better at it than a guy that sits by himself in an office all day

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Interesting thesis. My father has 2 daughters (no sons) and a younger sister. He never looks in anyones eyes.

He is the type who does speak in actions however. I describe him as a man who never says "I love you", but he will go out in the pouring rain to fix your flat tire. (He has actually done this)

My husband only has an older sister. But he does have our two daughters. Still lousy with eye contact.

Sorry, your theory doesn't hold much water CPA. But it was amusing to read :rotfl:
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May 6 2008, 12:42 AM
somerled
May 5 2008, 07:12 AM
captain_proton_au
May 5 2008, 02:57 PM
Dandandat
May 4 2008, 05:36 PM
Talk is cheap; actions are not

Which is why some men and women can say that they are faithful and happily married till they're blue in the face, i'm still not going to believe them, their eyes tell a very different story

Really ?

Your basis for that is .... ?

Has to do with what someone like 38957 is or will be an expert on


What 1/2 the gay male population starts training from around 5 yrs old, a guy with a younger sister starts around 7 yrs old, a guy whos first kid is a girl starts from when the daughter is 2 or so.

Being trained to look into that girls eyes more to get that adorable daughter look, its programmed into girls when they pop out to look for a certain set of eye and facial patterns in guys bigger than them and father figures and look into there eyes and bond with / subdue them, when that bond happens its sets of a little endorphin rush that makes both the girl and guy a little bit happier.

So the guy who's first kid is a daughter gets hooked on that little endorphin rush, starts looking for it more in other girls and other women (of any age, it never goes away). Starts looking at all girls eyes more, then human eye / facial recognition software kicks in, an it just becomes a matter of time spent matching all the different looks with different behaviours and they get better at reading girls than the average.

I know you have a daughter, doesnt mean you love her any less, just that , if I remember correctly you also have two sons, so its just about amount of time able to give attention to her which isnt infinite.


Its why guys that have a younger sister do better with women, guys that have the first kid a girl understand women better, and that half of the gay male population get on well with girls (although its not something a guy should work out before he starts thinking of sex, part of the reason they end up gay).


So back to reading the eyes of married couples, if the wife says they are happily married and you look to the hubby who looks like he's about to shoot himself, you know better, or the hubby says they are happily married and the wife is giving you sexy looks, you know better


Not all humans are equal in this regard, its all experience, time spent looking at eyes and faces as well as the number, so someone in a job where they see lots of people will be better at it than a guy that sits by himself in an office all day

:blink:

I am not sure what to say to all of that, though I have been cited as an expert. I have two girls and no boys. They seem to love their mommy as much as their daddy. I wish that I had some ability to look into a woman's eyes and see anything besides eyes. I can usually pick up some clues about my wife's mood from her eyes, but I have been with her for 15 years and married for nearly 12.

I don't think that you can lump all men together and say that we all behave and react the same way. I can tell alot from my wife's eyes, but there are several other non-verbal ways of communication going on as well that mean a lot.

As to looking in the eyes of other women, I guess I don't do that very often because I ain't really looking for anything. And plus I work exclusively with men in my job for some reason.
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May 6 2008, 07:23 AM
And plus I work exclusively with men in my job for some reason.

Cos Sheep herding is hard work?




Su-Nap! ;)
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May 6 2008, 01:42 AM
somerled
May 5 2008, 07:12 AM
captain_proton_au
May 5 2008, 02:57 PM
Dandandat
May 4 2008, 05:36 PM
Talk is cheap; actions are not

Which is why some men and women can say that they are faithful and happily married till they're blue in the face, i'm still not going to believe them, their eyes tell a very different story

Really ?

Your basis for that is .... ?

Has to do with what someone like 38957 is or will be an expert on


What 1/2 the gay male population starts training from around 5 yrs old, a guy with a younger sister starts around 7 yrs old, a guy whos first kid is a girl starts from when the daughter is 2 or so.

Being trained to look into that girls eyes more to get that adorable daughter look, its programmed into girls when they pop out to look for a certain set of eye and facial patterns in guys bigger than them and father figures and look into there eyes and bond with / subdue them, when that bond happens its sets of a little endorphin rush that makes both the girl and guy a little bit happier.

So the guy who's first kid is a daughter gets hooked on that little endorphin rush, starts looking for it more in other girls and other women (of any age, it never goes away). Starts looking at all girls eyes more, then human eye / facial recognition software kicks in, an it just becomes a matter of time spent matching all the different looks with different behaviours and they get better at reading girls than the average.

I know you have a daughter, doesnt mean you love her any less, just that , if I remember correctly you also have two sons, so its just about amount of time able to give attention to her which isnt infinite.


Its why guys that have a younger sister do better with women, guys that have the first kid a girl understand women better, and that half of the gay male population get on well with girls (although its not something a guy should work out before he starts thinking of sex, part of the reason they end up gay).


So back to reading the eyes of married couples, if the wife says they are happily married and you look to the hubby who looks like he's about to shoot himself, you know better, or the hubby says they are happily married and the wife is giving you sexy looks, you know better


Not all humans are equal in this regard, its all experience, time spent looking at eyes and faces as well as the number, so someone in a job where they see lots of people will be better at it than a guy that sits by himself in an office all day









I have to go with Somerled on this;

Your basis for that is?

I can think of a dozen examples in my own life (of people I know) that repudiates what you have said here on varying levels.

Example there are some woman who do enjoy flirting from time to time or may even give you the "sexy eyes" as a way to enact power over you, that doesn’t by default mean she is unhappily married. She could be very happily married and the "Sexy eyes" are just a tool to get what she wants from the recipient or something both her and her husband enjoy together. I have an Aunt who is just such a woman.

You also assume that all Father Daughter relationships are the same; but they are not. Not every father daughter relationship take on the "daddy's little princess" dynamic, not even in single child homes. So even if we where to assume that the "daddy's little princess" dynamic does result in the ends you describe, it would not be true of all woman and so assuming all woman and men will respond the same to eye contact (as you describe) is a logical fallacy. Some may act as you assume and others will not, and your tool becomes ineffective because you can't determine who will act as you assume they will and who will not.

As for woman being programmed to "look for a certain set of eye and facial patterns in guys bigger than them"; what evolutionary function would this serve? Early human life was nothing like the way we live today and for a group to survive all had to contribute; "daddy's little princess" would have no value in such circumstances and all of the young children would need to be protected and need to contribute. It's not until adult hood that females become less physically empowered, as children females and males are physically comparable given the same life experiences.

Further At adulthood when physical differences between males and females do become apparent the father would be looking to off load his daughter on someone else for compensation. Male children however remained in the service of the father and so where a more valuable asset. In most of human life this was the case, where female children where thought of as inferior to male children by the family and the patriarch.

Mothers and their children on the other hand do have an evolutionary reason to print each others faces and expressions in each others minds. It is females who dominantly took care of the children and needed ways to first recognize their own children vs another's children and then to recognize the needs of the child. But again there should be no preference between male and female children to the mother, all needed to be protected. The father on the other hand would spend a long time away from the children, protecting and feeding them and the rest of the group, yet another reason that no special bond between female child and father is necessary.

So where does this programming coming from? I believe what you are describing is a cultural behavior, a learned behavior and not something you are programmed with. Which only emphasis my first point that not all father daughter relationships are the same.
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^^^

Well, I'm not married, no kids, what do I know


i dont know where that came from, must have been feeling reflective tonight
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May 6 2008, 07:42 AM
yet another reason that no special bond between female child and father is necessary.

But i will say that any father that has to train his daughter out of a certain action to bond with daddy in a certain special way somewhere around the 2- 6 yr mark (that which is never talked about, and doesnt happen with all daughters)

Will have a new appreciation for evolution and a rough understanding of what some timid boys of that age face when some of their female classmates dont have a dad at home to train them out of it
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Hey, maybe there is some truth in what CP is saying? I have a younger sister and most describe me as more "sensitive" than the "typical" male (whatever that is. ;) ). Then my wife and I have 3+ kids and are happily married!

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So oh wize guru .... what is the secret to finding ever lasting love ?

Well, i should ad, after saying all that, that its not really such a good thing working that out to young, having that centred father look too young, tends to attract the girls that arent so much about babies, some might be pretty, but its of little use if they jut want to cuddle all the time ;)

You need a bit of the sex in the eyes thing so your seen more as the prize bull amongst the cows, for a guys needs that is. That daughter look is adorable and that little bit of happiness you get from it is good, but it is like sex drive kryptonite ;)


As for happily married, the only time you see it is when there at least 3 kids, dont stop at one, only children turn out to be freaks (waves to all the only children on the board ;)), two...well its not enough to ensure everyone gets along, yes at least 3, or 0 actually, I know some older couples (relos and friends of relos that have none, but are happily married)

So 0 or 3 or more


As for ever lasting love, you shouldnt really marry a girl until you know that that baby making switch has been turned on, when they stop pining over guys like Orlando Bloom and start druelling over guys like Mathew McConahay.

Not that its ever really up to the guys anyway, still its nice that they let us pretend it is

Ok, family planning and parental advice from the guy not married with no kids, what the hell am I doing :lol: :blink: :no: ;)

Well , sounds like I found it .... I've fathered three kids (and they all look somewhat like me , my boys , poor kids .... dead ringers for me at their age .... mum and my sisters , and my brother say it's positively spooky how much .My daughter , she reminds me of my elder kid sister , but with my wife's build .... she's a heart breaker .... and my partnership has lasted the distance .... 27 years & going strong.)

Guess my genes were dominant in all three.
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May 6 2008, 08:49 AM
^^^

Well, I'm not married, no kids, what do I know


i dont know where that came from, must have been feeling reflective tonight

Another thing that we might tend to do is apply characteristics that are common in our Western (European descended) culture to the rest of the world and I think that this can be incorrect. Children, daughters, whatever are thought of very differently in places like Arabia, China & SE Asia,Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. than they are in our culture.
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You've never wondered why the full hijab covers everything but the eyes?

Could be about covering up naughty bits, or could be about concentrating on the eyes
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May 6 2008, 01:55 PM
You've never wondered why the full hijab covers everything but the eyes?

Could be about covering up naughty bits, or could be about concentrating on the eyes

Or it could be about not bumping into walls :P
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When it comes to humans and sexuality nothing is what it seems


Other examples:


Cleavage - is it about showing boobs, or showing a body part reminisant of the backside which is going to get guys more worked up, if that isnt the case, why is it usually that V shape?

The hot girl who walks around with not much clothes - is it about attracting male attention, or seperating the guys that stare at the body with the guys still in control enough to look into her eyes

The perfect kiss - the side the part is on is usually the side her dad used to brush her hair back over her ear when she was a kid. So stand still look into her eyes, call her by a name her dad might have called her like 'Sweetie' or 'honey', brush your thumb across her cheek like dad used to do to wipe away a tear, hold her with both your hands on her neck and then kiss

Tiger eyes - the excess eye shadow around the eyes, says to guys I'm more primal

The customary kiss on the cheek - politeness or "here, get a whiff of these pheremones"?

Holding hands - pay attention to when she reaches for your hand, is there a competitor around?
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May 6 2008, 02:16 PM
The perfect kiss - the side the part is on is usually the side her dad used to brush her hair back over her ear when she was a kid. So stand still look into her eyes, call her by a name her dad might have called her like 'Sweetie' or 'honey', brush your thumb across her cheek like dad used to do to wipe away a tear, hold her with both your hands on her neck and then kiss

What happens when I dont want my girl to think of me as her dad, that gives me the hebby gebbyes.
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