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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 4 2008, 11:48 AM (446 Views) | |
| Dandandat | Apr 4 2008, 11:48 AM Post #1 |
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Time to put something here
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| RTW | Apr 4 2008, 11:49 AM Post #2 |
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To borrow an excuse from the left... "80,000 jobs? Yeah, but they were all minimum-wage/entry level jobs. Nothing substantial." |
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| Intrepid2002 | Apr 4 2008, 01:49 PM Post #3 |
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They were ALL minimum wage/entry level jobs? My, my. I'm surprised we on the left aren't blaming the illegal immigrants. Maybe it's time we Americans start doing the jobs 'Americans will not do'. [/sarcasm] It's all funny until it's me (you) who loses my (your) job, isn't it? And I don't work for minimum wage. |
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| STC | Apr 4 2008, 08:07 PM Post #4 |
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I couldn't agree more 'Trep ![]() There's nothing funny about people losing their jobs. My Dad worked for 33 yrs on the shipyards in Sunderland. Never missed a day's work in his life. Then, the 80's recession came along. Couldn't get a job for something like 18 months. Oh, a real welfare scrounger my Dad like ;). Ended up going to work in Holland for a year, then up in Scotland for another year, so we could live. Not exactly close to his family but there you go. As I said, nothing funny about people losing their jobs. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 5 2008, 10:37 AM Post #5 |
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I don't think he was making fun of people who lost there jobs. He was making fun of liberals who where demeaning jobs that where created in the last 8 years. He was being sarcastic. |
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| Intrepid2002 | Apr 5 2008, 11:19 AM Post #6 |
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:lol: Let us not cast aspersions solely to those liberals of the left. There is enough to go around. Besides, there is nothing more demeaning than a politician who uses terminology such as "we must remember there are hard-working individuals, doing jobs that Americans will not do. "(source) A job is a job. Minimum wage or not. |
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| Wichita | Apr 5 2008, 11:50 AM Post #7 |
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Intrepid, You just lost me. I don't agree or disagree with your point. I just can't figure out what it is. You said:
The only sentences that I could see that you were referring to are the following:
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The topic of the speech was immigration specifically. Who do you think the politician in question was "demeaning"? |
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| ds9074 | Apr 5 2008, 11:54 AM Post #8 |
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Well if a situation exists where a lot of people are loosing their jobs and are only able to find reemployment in lower paid jobs, below their skill level, then something negative has happened in the economy. Yet it doesnt necessarily show up in the headline unemployment rate. It would be perfectly valid to raise the above as a serious concern if there was evidence it was going on. That doesnt mean that low paid jobs are worthless. What it doesnt mean is that while any job is better than none it is obviously financially and indeed emotionally better for a person to be working to the level they are qualified for. |
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| RTW | Apr 5 2008, 01:38 PM Post #9 |
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Dan, thank you for rescuing people from my sarchasm.
Unless, of course, it's created during the term of a Republican President.
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| RTW | Apr 5 2008, 01:41 PM Post #10 |
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You might have just cast a huge value judgement on a whole lot of people.
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| ds9074 | Apr 5 2008, 01:52 PM Post #11 |
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Saying that if it was a job where you have to take your lunch like this; I might prefer the dole .
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| Dandandat | Apr 5 2008, 06:46 PM Post #12 |
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Time to put something here
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We should all be glad that our grandfathers and their fathers saw things diffrently.
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| Intrepid2002 | Apr 5 2008, 08:25 PM Post #13 |
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Wichita, Oddly enough, I thought of that question after I posted that reply. Let me try and explain myself.
Why borrow merely from the left when demeaning the loss of a job? My sarcastic reply was that I was wondering why we on the left aren't blaming the illegal immigrants for the increase in unemployment and that maybe it was time we Americans start doing the 'jobs that Americans will not do'. Granted, I am not sure who RTW is referring to, who he is quoting from the left or even where he borrowed the quote from. I assume that these are not his words and that someone from the left was callous enough to make a blanket statement that all jobs lost were minimum wage jobs. I would like to know who that person was and give him a piece of my mind. If indeed this is true, that we have lost 80,000 jobs in March, (all of them being minimum wage ??? ) then we Americans better start doing the 'jobs that Americans will not do'. Emphasis on "jobs that Americans will not do". It was not my intention to bring to light the guest worker program or the immigration problem but to point out that there is at least one from the right, who has put it out there that there are so called 'jobs that Americans will not do'. I somehow feel demeaned and offended by those particular choice of words. That is just my personal opinion. Hence, in my own way, was 'borrowing an excuse from the right' and at least providing a source as to who said it. Which then ties into the following statement
Again, I wanted to point out that there are those from the right (at least one and those who agree with him) who can, in my estimation, be equal when making excuses and being demeaning when it comes to the many facets of employment/unemployment in the United States of America.
I was aware of that. My mistake was to not to quantify from the very beginning that I was not bringing light to the subject of immigration but to focus on the "jobs that Americans will not do" mentality and how irritating it is to me to hear those words.... especially in times like this when we are losing jobs at the rate of 80,000 in the month of March alone according to the article originally posted.
I have no idea who the person from the left was that made that statement that all jobs lost were minimum wage jobs. I'm sorry if I'm particularly hypersensitive to issues like this. Working in the trenches of the medical field, I see too often, more often people losing medical insurance because of the loss of a job and suffering the other related stresses that not having medical insurance, much less a job, has on people. I used to work for a Catholic hospital that at least had the provision of charity care. Now that the Sisters of Mercy have finally sold out and the bigger hospital has taken over, there are rumors that entail the pulling of your credit report when you visit the Emergency Room. Unbelievable. Nevermind the other rumors flying around that job cuts are all but a certainty. Trying to work in patient health care with all this bureaucracy is getting harder and harder by the day. I'm secretly glad all I have to do is follow orders. [sarcasm] So somebody give me the mailing address of " Mr. Liberal on the left who thinks all those jobs lost are minimum wage jobs anyway." [/ sarcasm] Sorry for the tangent. |
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| somerled | Apr 5 2008, 09:13 PM Post #14 |
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If you were one of those 80,000 people who lost their jobs , you would not be laughing about it. Many of these people have family to support , they will have mortgages most likely (or rent that they still have to pay, and the utilies don't stop sending bills if you have been layed off or retrenched or "downsized" or stood down or sacked) , some of them will likely be sole breadwinners , and loosing your job , irrespective well trained you are is a very serious matter a desaster for that person. Loosing your job also has serious consequences psychologically too as a big part of person's identity is tied up with their job , I have known of people who have committed suicide after being retrenched, and it often leads to marriage and family breakups. Job loss IS NO LAUGHING MANNER and NOT SOMETHING TO JOKE ABOUT. Few people step out of one job (which they have lost) straight into an new job , and few are able to transition immediately into a new job and so many (most) of these unfortunate people face an uncertain future and long term unemployment and many may need to retrain to reenter the workforce. BTW where is a link that gives a breakdown that shows these were all no skill , or low skill , go no where , minimum wage or entry level jobs ? .... as if that makes a difference or excuses your comments. .... why don't do us all a favour and grow up sonny .... |
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| somerled | Apr 5 2008, 09:29 PM Post #15 |
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That wouldn't be permitted now due to OHS .... safety was not high on the agenda when the picture was shown , wasn't a consideration even. And if the vintage of the picture is what I think it is - set in the 20s or 30s , or in the Great Depression , the situation was totally different and there was no social safety net what so ever in the USA at the time , and the unemployed and their families literally starved. Fortunately there was a safety net here in Australia and my granddad , who lost his job when the coal mines closed their gates (no demand for coal from the steel industry) was compelled to travel 60 miles every fortnight to get the dole from a different post office every fortnight and was compelled to live rough and become a itinerant swagman / bushman. He had no choice in the matter. |
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