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The Race Card and Uncle Tom Card; Sick and Tired of the Double Standard
Topic Started: Mar 13 2008, 07:42 PM (1,558 Views)
Dandandat
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ImpulseEngine
Mar 25 2008, 10:49 PM
Dandandat
Mar 25 2008, 07:27 PM
What is there to understand about racism?
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That in this case it MAY come from feelings of oppression that no longer exists and hasn’t for my life time?
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Those two sentences alone explain why you have the perspective you do in the whole rest of your post.

Yes, your correct, my views have been expressed in my post, thank you for pointing that out. Now would you like to have a discussion about them or do you simply want to post smiley faces as if they mean something substantial?

For example, do you agree or disagree with these statements?

"What is there to understand about racism?"

"That in this case it MAY come from feelings of oppression that no longer exists and hasn’t for my life time?"

If you disagree why do you disagree. This is how you have a conversation about an issue.


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As for your comments about Pastor John Hagee in the subsequent post, I didn't say no one heard of him.  I asked if anyone heard about him and the issues I specified.


Since the artical I posted is about him and the issue you specified, then It would seem someone has "heard about him and the issues I [you] specified"
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Dandandat
Mar 26 2008, 07:31 AM
Minuet
Mar 25 2008, 10:42 PM
Dandandat - the article you linked is the first one I have seen on Rev. John Hagee. I had to look closely to even find his name on the article (very small lettering at the top)

I don't know what your talking about? the whole article is about this man in the form of Q & A. So I have no idea the relevance of the size of his name? Do you think people would read this article and not know who it was answering the questions? That's a bit silly.

As for this being the only article, do a Google news search there are plenty of them.

I didn't say this was the only article.

My point was that I heard about one controversy in my local newspaper (In Canada) and heard nothing about the other until mentioned here.

Now that could be partially because no one at Sistertrek commented on it. But I do find it interesting to look at what the "international" (read as my local) press has to say. They usually take thier cue from what is strongly controversial in the US when reporting on the US.

With that said Wichita's remarks that one pastor is actually a spiritual advisor while the other was simply sought for an endorsement but is not the weekly heard spiritual leader holds a bit more water as a compelling argument not to make as big a deal.

On the other hand these politicians need to be careful about who they ask for endorsements from. I mean that as a general statement as I still don't know exactly what Hagee said to get labled as "anti-Semitic". Impulseengine, could you provide a quote with regards to that? I cannot form an opinion in the absense of the comments and what I see is someone who appears to support Israel :shrug:
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Dandandat
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Mar 26 2008, 08:42 AM
Dandandat
Mar 26 2008, 07:31 AM
Minuet
Mar 25 2008, 10:42 PM
Dandandat - the article you linked is the first one I have seen on Rev. John Hagee. I had to look closely to even find his name on the article (very small lettering at the top)

I don't know what your talking about? the whole article is about this man in the form of Q & A. So I have no idea the relevance of the size of his name? Do you think people would read this article and not know who it was answering the questions? That's a bit silly.

As for this being the only article, do a Google news search there are plenty of them.

I didn't say this was the only article.

My point was that I heard about one controversy in my local newspaper (In Canada) and heard nothing about the other until mentioned here.

Now that could be partially because no one at Sistertrek commented on it. But I do find it interesting to look at what the "international" (read as my local) press has to say. They usually take thier cue from what is strongly controversial in the US when reporting on the US.

With that said Wichita's remarks that one pastor is actually a spiritual advisor while the other was simply sought for an endorsement but is not the weekly heard spiritual leader holds a bit more water as a compelling argument not to make as big a deal.

On the other hand these politicians need to be careful about who they ask for endorsements from. I mean that as a general statement as I still don't know exactly what Hagee said to get labled as "anti-Semitic". Impulseengine, could you provide a quote with regards to that? I cannot form an opinion in the absense of the comments and what I see is someone who appears to support Israel :shrug:

You can also not discount the fact that the Clinton and Obama race is very heated. If either candidate blows their nose wrong its going to get more coverage then McCain. This has nothing to do with left or right wing conspiracies, just simply the way news works. In fact this will hurt McCain in the long run as he has difficulty fundraising and getting public recognition.

Add to it the intimate association Obama has with his bigot and the unanimated association McCain has with his, and its even more clear why Obama has gotten more press.

I find it funny, how the Obama apologists are trying to take heat off of Obama by pointing out how wrong McCain is by knowing some bigoted people. This after Obama's own explanation for his association with bigotry is the assumed fact that we all know and love bigots so it's no big deal. If we are to accept that associating with Bigots and accepting them for what they are is just a part of life, as Obama would like us too, then why even question McCain and Hagee? The two sided arguments do not go well together.
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If we are to accept that associating with Bigots and accepting them for what they are is just a part of life, as Obama would like us too, then why even question McCain and Hagee? The two sided arguments do not go well together.


I read this differently then you. The point is that McCain got a pass so why shouldn't Obama? I don't see anyone saying that McCain should be treated the same as Obama. I see the opposite being said. Obama should be treated the same as McCain was for a similar controversy.

Of course, as I have said repeatedly I don't even know for sure if McCain did get a pass.

Do you have any information about the comments Hagee is being called out on Dante? I really would appreciate seeing them.
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Mar 26 2008, 09:09 AM
I read this differently then you. The point is that McCain got a pass so why shouldn't Obama? I don't see anyone saying that McCain should be treated the same as Obama. I see the opposite being said. Obama should be treated the same as McCain was for a similar controversy.

Of course, as I have said repeatedly I don't even know for sure if McCain did get a pass.


I don't think we read it different at all;

One of Obama's key points is that racism is a part of all our lives and that a 'pass' is not necessary because based on the Reverends past and the past of all older/elderly people racism is an acceptable thing.

From some Obama apologists we get the argument as you stated it; 'McCain got a pass so why shouldn't Obama?'

The two don’t go together; ether Obama is correct and no 'pass' is necessary because no ethical crime has been committed; or the apologist are correct and the ethical crime should be forgotten because McCain committed a similar ethical crime. These two opinions can't coexist. Ether the crime was committed or it was not, ether it should be forgotten or there is no need to forget anything because nothing exists.

Personally I don’t think either points are correct; two wrongs do not make a right in the case of the later. And I do not agree with Obama that racism is a part of life that we need to accept. It is something that needs to be fought no matter where it exists, whether it comes from his Reverend, his Grandmother or my Grandmother. Divorcing these people out right need not be the answer, on that count Obama is correct; but ignoring them is an offence in and of itself and it is on that count that Obama is very very wrong.



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Do you have any information about the comments Hagee is being called out on Dante? I really would appreciate seeing them.


This issue is a bit old, which is why you are finding it difficult to find relivent links. You should do a search in a time frame of about a month ago to find more relivent links.


http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=4026...subCategoryID=0

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_...near_for_mccain

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...-endorseme.html
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