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The Race Card and Uncle Tom Card; Sick and Tired of the Double Standard
Topic Started: Mar 13 2008, 07:42 PM (1,557 Views)
Sgt. Jaggs
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Barak Obama's Preachers' fiery sermons have been all over the media today. Clearly the race card has been played. I am finally getting sick and tired by it. This offensive language is DIVISIVE and I am sick and tired of some black Americans getting a pass.
Don Imus' and Trent Lott's treatment compared to guys like Ray Nagin and this Preacher of Obama's. I am sick of this double standard!

All Americans should denounce these types of statements. The one about rich white people owning this country. The N bomb is also used and you hear the black crowd being whipped up into a fury. I find this in the highest of offensive insults directed right at me because I am white! How about that?

Screw this shit. I will not take this iniquity any longer. That preacher is exposed also as a Hate America leader now too.

Maybe he was right on about whitey keeping him down twenty years ago. Where is the move into 2008?

I am done tolerating this type of crap.
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STC
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^^^

Jag do you have a link to this?

May be related, or unrelated. But before I left for work this morning, I heard something on the radio news about Hilary Clinton's team being racist against Barack Obama.

I can't add anymore than that, I simply don't know the detail, but I'm volunteering this as info as to what 'might' have occurred.

Something has clearly transpired, from one direction, or both.

:)

Edit: I have no 'side' or 'agenda' in this - this is literally what I heard on the morning news, before dashing to my office, and then classroom.
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I think if you were part of any minority, you'd think very diffferently about it.


Think about the number of times you employ the adjective 'black' in front of a person or group, when you really dont need to


this line is a good example:
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The N bomb is also used and you hear the black crowd being whipped up into a fury


Think about why you needed to have the word 'black' in there at all
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^^^

Very good point, and post, CPA. :yes:
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Sgt. Jaggs
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captain_proton_au
Mar 13 2008, 08:01 PM
I think if you were part of any minority, you'd think very diffferently about it.


Think about the number of times you employ the adjective 'black' in front of a person or group, when you really dont need to


this line is a good example:
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The N bomb is also used and you hear the black crowd being whipped up into a fury


Think about why you needed to have the word 'black' in there at all

What? :huh: The guy used white as an adjective as I commented about also. The N word was crushed too. I am missing your point.

It was not me who created the divisiveness, these are his comments. Just like Ray Nagins comments. Pointing out the race constantly to stir one ethnic group against another.

When I read this comment from you Proton:

Think about the number of times you employ the adjective 'black' in front of a person or group, when you really dont need to

I wonder what Alice in Wonderland fairy tale you live in. The Need is in the context of the topic.
You lost me there buddy. :headscratch: :news:
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Mar 13 2008, 08:05 PM
^^^

Very good point, and post, CPA. :yes:

STC

That really irritates me that you said that. Why is that a good point? Please explain.
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Mar 13 2008, 07:51 PM
^^^

Jag do you have a link to this?

May be related, or unrelated. But before I left for work this morning, I heard something on the radio news about Hilary Clinton's team being racist against Barack Obama.

I can't add anymore than that, I simply don't know the detail, but I'm volunteering this as info as to what 'might' have occurred.

Something has clearly transpired, from one direction, or both.

:)

Edit: I have no 'side' or 'agenda' in this - this is literally what I heard on the morning news, before dashing to my office, and then classroom.

Link Obama Preacher


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Jag, this is just one more issue that Obama is getting a pass on.

Relative to Obama's treatment, Romney was grilled for being a Mormon.

Would the subject be ignored if McCain attended a church with this vision?
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the White religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an European people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a White worship service and ministries which address the White Community.

The membership of the North Idaho United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO EUROPE.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF EUROPEAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.


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Jag
Mar 14 2008, 02:36 AM
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Mar 13 2008, 08:05 PM
^^^

Very good point, and post, CPA.  :yes:

STC

That really irritates me that you said that. Why is that a good point? Please explain.

I'm sorry that irritates you, though I don't understand why that is.

My response to CPA was to acknowledge what I thought was a thought-provoking point and a good post. CPA explained it eloquently enough himself, I don't feel the need to elaborate further.

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There are times when it's appropriate to use the "white" or the "black" adjectives. I don't think there are any times when the "N" word is appropriate except to make reference to the fact that some people do use it. I think what I just said should be applied to all people the same.

I also think, because of the sensitivity of the issue of racism, practically speaking, it's probably next to impossible to apply that standard the same. Look at Geraldine Ferraro's recent comment. It's probably factually accurate, but due to the sensitivity of the subject, she's being chastised as "racist" - and, for the same reason, it was also a pretty stupid thing to say. I'm pretty sure though, had a black person said the same thing, people would consider the comment more seriously.

But we have to face the reality that racism is a sensitive subject and recognize why that is so - the fact is racism still does exist in the country and is a lot more common than a lot of people want to admit. The consequences that black people experience from that racism is far greater than any consequences white people experience from things like unequal treatment of racist remarks. I'm not saying such remarks directed toward whites shouldn't also be condemned, but I'm saying it's understandable why they don't get the same attention.

You think you are frustrated? Try approaching even one black person and explaining just how frustrated you feel about it. I expect the reaction you get will either be laughter or complete anger - either way, it will mean "you've got to be kidding!"

As for this pastor, he has some valid points, but he has taken his cause too far to the point where no one but his immediate followers will take him seriously. Many of his comments do deserve to be condemned IMO.

Trent Lott and Don Imus got what they deserved. Lott said he was proud of Thurmond - a known segregationist - and suggested the country would have had fewer problems if it had elected him President when he ran for office. Nice. :no: Imus' comment was akin to the use of the "N" word. I don't remember Ray Nagin getting any free pass either. A lot of people objected to his remarks. I would say the main difference is he didn't resign whereas Lott and Imus did.
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So, if Trent Lott and Don Imus got what they "deserved" does Obama's pastor? Does he get a pass because he's a member of a so-called prosecuted minority?

There's no excuse for his kind of vile, IGNORANT spewing.
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The situations aren't very comparable. Lott was a political figure. He got public backlash and resigned. Imus was a radio host, got public backlash, and got fired. Obama's pastor is a pastor. It's up to his church and/or its members to fire him. He doesn't have nearly the audience that Imus had nor the public exposure that Lott had. So the public backlash is just starting to happen somewhat because, until now, his comments weren't really well known except to his parishioners. Should he get a free pass? Not in my opinion, but it's not up to me.
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Mar 14 2008, 11:16 AM
... vile, IGNORANT spewing.

That's why it doesn't bother me. It's just vile, ignorant spewing.

I think Obama had the same reaction in response to Ferraro's statements.

I think Donovan McNabb had the same reaction in response to Limbaugh's statements years ago (*sigh* even though Limbaugh only said McNabb was overrated and the main focus of his statement was the media.)

On a personal level, the best way to battle ignorance is to just ignore it.

To engage ignorance in a public setting seems to just encourages it.


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Suddenly it just dawned on me why my posts often don't garner a lot of responses. :cry:

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I understand what you are getting at, in that challenging someone who has so obviously already made their mind up is often fruitless, but I think that we have to challenge statements we disagree with.

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