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Hillary Clinton; I don't get it
Topic Started: Feb 6 2008, 04:15 PM (1,517 Views)
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What is it exactly that so many people don't like about Hillary Clinton?

I mean conservatives generally despise her, Sean Hannity has what he calls the "stop Hillary express" going on his show, people generally agree that she is "polarizing", even many Democrats including women Democrats don't like her. So what it is about her?

I'm personally of the opinion that, if she was a man, she wouldn't have nearly the same animosity directed her way. So is that it? Is it that people aren't used to a strong, intelligent, forceful woman in a position of power, or is it something else?

Naturally, conservatives and Republicans aren't going to like much of what she stands for politically, but that's not what I'm talking about. If it was, we would see the same vilification of other people with similar views. John Edwards, for example, has reasonably similar views but doesn't get the same kind of animosity directed his way. So I find it hard to believe it's about her views as much as it's about her personally.

So what is it? What makes her so disliked? What makes her so polarizing? I just don't get it. :shrug:
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She is a socialist.
She holds the US Military in contempt.
She believes that the US is great because of its government.
She believes that it is the role of the government to control people's lives.
She believes that people's money is her for her to take.
Her answer to everything is more government.
She has contempt for the American family structure.
She mocks people by trying to make people think she is one of them.
She alters her routine and positions according to what the polls say.


Need some more reasons?
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I just don't like her politics, thus I don't want her as President. Other than that, she seems much the typical under-handed, political rhetoric spewing, partisan politician.
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See, I see it the other way around. I don't get it that supporters of Hillary (not saying you are one) keep saying that people don't like her because she is a strong woman. Seems to me they are trying to rally the anti-sexism vote around her flag by trumping up the little weak sexist sentiment that does exist.

I don't see her as vilified anymore than any other political candidate at any other point in time in American politics.

I don't like her politics because I think her universal health care reforms talk will hurt this country, for one.

I don't like her personality, because I think she is only telling people what they want to hear. She has a really good way, it seems to me, of making people feel good, but not addressing anything concrete.

And I don't like her philosophy, because it DOES NOT take a village to raise a child. It takes two parents. ;)
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Feb 6 2008, 04:26 PM
She is a socialist.
She holds the US Military in contempt.
She believes that the US is great because of its government.
She believes that it is the role of the government to control people's lives.
She believes that people's money is her for her to take.
Her answer to everything is more government.
She has contempt for the American family structure.
She mocks people by trying to make people think she is one of them.
She alters her routine and positions according to what the polls say.


Need some more reasons?

all these reason's is why I can't stand her.

Plus

She's Anti-gun
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Dandandat
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I would agree that its not her "views" in and of them selves that make her the unlikable person that she is. Ether someone is going to agree with them or disagree with them. Obama and Clinton are almost identical on the issues, yet even conservatives have to concede that Obama is a likeable guy even if they disagree with him or think he has no message.

So it is defiantly Clinton’s personality that makes her polarizing. But I disagree with you that it is a gender issue. I think a man exhibiting her caricaturists would be equally disliked.

It’s not that Clinton is a strong woman that people dislike. It’s that she is a strong woman who finds it easy to cry when it will most benefit her appeal that they don’t like. Ie,
she is manipulative.

It’s not that she holds liberal views that people don’t like her to the point that you have to make this post. It is that she takes the tact of trying to blatantly force her views on people; it is an activist role that she takes. Again Obama shares many of her liberal views, but he tries to sell them to you, not force them on you; same thing can be said for President Clinton.

As first lady she over stepped he bounds; yes it was because she was a strong woman who can handle her self but that does not make it right.

She has an air about her that she doesn’t care about the electorate and that she only cares about political power. Yes this can be said for many male presidents, senators and congressmen but they are also disliked for it.

As a Clinton supporter I think you fall to see exactly what it is that people don’t like about her, because you don’t agree that she exhibits these qualities. Which is why you think it is only about her being a strong woman. But there are/have been other strong woman in the history of this country who have not had her problems.









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8247
Feb 6 2008, 04:26 PM
She is a socialist.

Well, not by Canadian standards, but what the heck, I will give you that one.

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She holds the US Military in contempt.


This one you don't get. I have never seen evidence of this and would ask you to provide SPECIFIC proof of this claim.

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She believes that the US is great because of its government.


Ummm - don't most Americans feel that way. Is not your government a part of what makes you a great country. Would you want a different style or structure to your government?

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She believes that it is the role of the government to control people's lives.


There is a big difference between believing that the government can help better people's lives and believing the government should control people's lives. You are stating a lot of "beliefs" without backing them up. I think this is what you believe of her, but not what she actually believes.

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She believes that people's money is her for her to take.


Really - this is the first time I have heard anyone accuse her of the crime of theft. You really should watch those accusations.

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Her answer to everything is more government.


EVERYTHING??? I challenge you to back this one up. Again, I think you are being influenced by your own prejudices rather then reality.

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She has contempt for the American family structure.


Really? And what exactly do you mean by that. She backed up her husband and stayed with him when he didn't deserve it. Yet you accuse her of contempt for the family? She fought tooth and nail for her own. This comment is sheer silliness.

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She mocks people by trying to make people think she is one of them.


Examples please. I really don't know what you mean by this. I have never seen her mock anyone.

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She alters her routine and positions according to what the polls say.


Examples please.


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Need some more reasons?


Well, considering that most of the ones you provided are so weak........ :P
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rowskid86
Feb 6 2008, 04:39 PM
8247
Feb 6 2008, 04:26 PM
She is a socialist.
She holds the US Military in contempt.
She believes that the US is great because of its government.
She believes that it is the role of the government to control people's lives.
She believes that people's money is her for her to take.
Her answer to everything is more government.
She has contempt for the American family structure.
She mocks people by trying to make people think she is one of them.
She alters her routine and positions according to what the polls say.


Need some more reasons?

all these reason's is why I can't stand her.

Plus

She's Anti-gun

Now you have at least come up with a reason. A reason based on an actual policy. Thank you.
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Minuet
Feb 6 2008, 04:41 PM
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She mocks people by trying to make people think she is one of them.


Examples please. I really don't know what you mean by this. I have never seen her mock anyone.

This one he does get.

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I believe she has mocked my (and other New Yorkers) intelligence with her campaign to trick us into believing she was a New Yorker and wasn’t just coming to the state because it was the most lucrative seat to win in a largely liberal area of the country. This is one of the reasons I don’t like her more then other politicians.
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Minuet
Feb 6 2008, 04:41 PM
8247
Feb 6 2008, 04:26 PM
She is a socialist.

Well, not by Canadian standards, but what the heck, I will give you that one.

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She holds the US Military in contempt.


She had Marines on several occasions serving drinks in full uniform at White House functions
This one you don't get. I have never seen evidence of this and would ask you to provide SPECIFIC proof of this claim.

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She believes that the US is great because of its government.


Ummm - don't most Americans feel that way. Is not your government a part of what makes you a great country. Would you want a different style or structure to your government?

No...America is great because of its people. Not its government.

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She believes that it is the role of the government to control people's lives.


There is a big difference between believing that the government can help better people's lives and believing the government should control people's lives. You are stating a lot of "beliefs" without backing them up. I think this is what you believe of her, but not what she actually believes.

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She believes that people's money is her for her to take.


Really - this is the first time I have heard anyone accuse her of the crime of theft. You really should watch those accusations.

In a speech about the oil company profits, she said and I quote "I want to take those profits, and give them to people who will use it to develop other fuel."

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Her answer to everything is more government.


EVERYTHING??? I challenge you to back this one up. Again, I think you are being influenced by your own prejudices rather then reality.

Ok...Universal health care. That's more government. The government to regulate banks. That's more government. Government to regulate people's carbon emissions..That's more government, and are all things that she has said she intended to do.

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She has contempt for the American family structure.


Really? And what exactly do you mean by that. She backed up her husband and stayed with him when he didn't deserve it. Yet you accuse her of contempt for the family? She fought tooth and nail for her own. This comment is sheer silliness.

Well, considering she is supposed to be for women's rights too, yet she lets Bill walk all over her, and demonizes his victims. Her family is a joke...Also, I believe harboring a rapist is a crime.

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She mocks people by trying to make people think she is one of them.



Examples please. I really don't know what you mean by this. I have never seen her mock anyone.

Well, in a black neighborhood, she donned a fake accent complete with bad grammar to make the people think she was one of them.

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She alters her routine and positions according to what the polls say.


Examples please.

Well, people at CNN were saying that she should smile and laugh more. The next day, she did that interview with that hideous laugh, and a smile that looked as real as the Joker's. Also, CNN was saying that she needed to appear sensitive. The next day, she cried in a speech, and all the lemmings went "Awwwwww!"

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Need some more reasons?


Well, considering that most of the ones you provided are so weak........ :P


:P I'm at work, so I cant copy and paste every question, so I answered them in the quote.
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Could she not like both teams? I really don't see this as mocking. Especially since the Cubs are National League and the Yankees are American League.

Now her professing her admiration for New York might be politically expedient. But mocking? Not the same thing. She might very well love New York. And no one has proven otherwise.

One more thing on that picture. We get lots of celebrities up here in Toronto taking in ball games, hockey games, etc. They are usually pictured wearing the local team's hat or shirt. That doesn't mean that they have suddenly become a major Blue Jays fan and have forgotten thier own home town. Using a picture like that as "proof" is just manipulation on the part of the book's author.
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The government to regulate banks. That's more government.


The government already regulates banks; times have changed and past regulations are becoming ineffectual. Changing regulation to suit the times would not be more government. It is the job of the government to make sure the Banks run smoothly, they do this in part through regulations.
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Feb 6 2008, 02:29 PM
See, I see it the other way around. I don't get it that supporters of Hillary (not saying you are one) keep saying that people don't like her because she is a strong woman. Seems to me they are trying to rally the anti-sexism vote around her flag by trumping up the little weak sexist sentiment that does exist.

I don't see her as vilified anymore than any other political candidate at any other point in time in American politics.

I don't like her politics because I think her universal health care reforms talk will hurt this country, for one.

I don't like her personality, because I think she is only telling people what they want to hear. She has a really good way, it seems to me, of making people feel good, but not addressing anything concrete.

And I don't like her philosophy, because it DOES NOT take a village to raise a child. It takes two parents. ;)

Well there is that ^^^ and...

Many were annoyed with the unelected First Lady pushing Hillary-care. When told how it would negatively effect small business she coldly replied that she can't be responsible for every undercapitalized business in the USA. Talk about Draconian!

We had eight years of -gate scandals during the Clinton presidency and many of them revolved around the First Lady.

The "strong woman" argument is laughable. Many who don't approve of Clinton are/were big supporters of Meir, Thatcher, Rice, Coulter, etc.

I don't get how she's a hero to feminists. Many women attend Ivy League colleges and become lawyers. Just not all of them ride the coattails of their husbands into politics. In addition, what true feminist stay with a man that repeatedly cheats on her?

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Minuet
Feb 6 2008, 05:03 PM
Could she not like both teams? I really don't see this as mocking. Especially since the Cubs are National League and the Yankees are American League.

One more thing on that picture. We get lots of celebrities up here in Toronto taking in ball games, hockey games, etc. They are usually pictured wearing the local team's hat or shirt. That doesn't mean that they have suddenly become a major Blue Jays fan and have forgotten thier own home town. Using a picture like that as "proof" is just manipulation on the part of the book's author.

Yes I added the picture for humor, the argument can and does stand alone. I dont like the Yankees - yet I am a New Yorker


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Now her professing her admiration for New York might be politically expedient. But mocking? Not the same thing. She might very well love New York. And no one has proven otherwise.


She didn’t just profess to admire New York she passed her self off as a New Yorker. Her campaign was built around trying to make it look as if she fit in when she was a clear outsider. She didn’t go to that Yankee game because she wanted to watch bass ball. She wanted a photo op of her doing a typical New York thing so that people would associate her with the state. She was being manipulative and that does mock the intelligence of the people of New York.

If she was the right person for the job all she had to do was say "I’m not from here, I don’t know what its like to be a New Yorker, but I have a lot of political power, my hand is on the pulse of Washington and so I have the potential to be the best dam senator you’d ever had. Tell me your wishes and I will make them come true" and New Yorkers might have even bought that. But that’s not what she did, what she did was try to pass her self off as someone who knew what it was like to live in New York, that she understood our issues intrinsically and was the best person to act on them because she cared so deeply for those issues.
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Feb 6 2008, 05:10 PM
I don't get how she's a hero to feminists. Many women attend Ivy League colleges and become lawyers. Just not all of them ride the coattails of their husbands into politics. In addition, what true feminist stay with a man that repeatedly cheats on her?

One thats riding his coattails thats who :P
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