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Berkeley tells Marines to get out
Topic Started: Feb 1 2008, 03:59 PM (571 Views)
Admiralbill_gomec
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So, jumping back to Berkeley.

This was part of an editorial from the SF Chronicle:

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Berkeley’s leaders have taken the worthy notion of political protest and shoved it over the cliff. While playing up arguments of free speech and organized protest, the council has loaded the deck with insulting language that denigrates the military and embarrasses the anti-war cause.


In addition, it turns out that the city had over two million dollars in earmarks slated for pork barrel projects, like organic school lunches in the Berkeley School District. Not any more.

You reap what you sow.
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captain_proton_au
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somerled
Feb 1 2008, 06:29 PM

Unlike the USA , Australia is not miltarised.

:blink: :blink: :blink:


Timor
Fiji
Solomons
Afghanistan
Iraq


Did I miss any recent ones?
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whitestar
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Admiralbill_gomec
Feb 6 2008, 08:41 PM
Jag
Feb 6 2008, 08:34 PM
:stirpot: I'm liking this already. I have nothing to add however........ :drool: this is gonna get interesting.............. :please:  :drool:  :evil1:

Not really, Jag. I don't know any regular member on this site who doesn't know that I drove 200+ miles to Corpus the day after 9/11 to re-up. Got politely turned down by a classmate and his CO. Plenty of sub drivers out there. A surplus of both line and staff officers of command grade. So, I turned my talents to the civilian side with organizing troop supply rallies.

You now know one regular member who was not aware of that, and to be honest I'm impressed
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Fortunately this is not Australia...
Give me a break Admiral, please remember Somerled ain't the only Aussie here
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somerled
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Not really, Jag. I don't know any regular member on this site who doesn't know that I drove 200+ miles to Corpus the day after 9/11 to re-up. Got politely turned down by a classmate and his CO. Plenty of sub drivers out there. A surplus of both line and staff officers of command grade. So, I turned my talents to the civilian side with organizing troop supply rallies.

I am another and there will be others to whom that is "news". :rolleyes:

Who are you trying to impress ?
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rowskid86
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somerled
Feb 9 2008, 08:51 PM
whitestar
Feb 10 2008, 11:35 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Feb 6 2008, 08:41 PM
Jag
Feb 6 2008, 08:34 PM
:stirpot: I'm liking this already. I have nothing to add however........ :drool: this is gonna get interesting.............. :please:  :drool:  :evil1:

Not really, Jag. I don't know any regular member on this site who doesn't know that I drove 200+ miles to Corpus the day after 9/11 to re-up. Got politely turned down by a classmate and his CO. Plenty of sub drivers out there. A surplus of both line and staff officers of command grade. So, I turned my talents to the civilian side with organizing troop supply rallies.

You now know one regular member who was not aware of that, and to be honest I'm impressed
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Fortunately this is not Australia...
Give me a break Admiral, please remember Somerled ain't the only Aussie here

I am another and there will be others to whom that is "news". :rolleyes:

Who are you trying to impress ?

I'm guessing no one. but at least he supports the Troops. He isn't Like you who hates the Military and wants to see them hurt or killed.
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somerled
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captain_proton_au
Feb 8 2008, 01:56 AM
somerled
Feb 1 2008, 06:29 PM

Unlike the USA , Australia is not miltarised.

:blink: :blink: :blink:


Timor
Fiji
Solomons
Afghanistan
Iraq


Did I miss any recent ones?

Well if it wasn't for the USA , we would not be involved in Afganistan or Iraq at all.

The others are peacekeeping missions and very small deployments .
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rowskid86
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somerled
Feb 9 2008, 08:56 PM
captain_proton_au
Feb 8 2008, 01:56 AM
somerled
Feb 1 2008, 06:29 PM

Unlike the USA , Australia is not miltarised.

:blink: :blink: :blink:


Timor
Fiji
Solomons
Afghanistan
Iraq


Did I miss any recent ones?

Well if it wasn't for the USA , we would not be involved in Afganistan or Iraq at all.

The others are peacekeeping missions and very small deployments .

If it wern't for the USA you'd be speaking Jappenese.


Edit: Didn't the Fiji government say any aussie troops landing in Fiji and act of invasion. http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=64936
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somerled
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rowskid86
Feb 10 2008, 11:54 AM
somerled
Feb 9 2008, 08:51 PM
whitestar
Feb 10 2008, 11:35 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Feb 6 2008, 08:41 PM
Jag
Feb 6 2008, 08:34 PM
:stirpot: I'm liking this already. I have nothing to add however........ :drool: this is gonna get interesting.............. :please:  :drool:  :evil1:

Not really, Jag. I don't know any regular member on this site who doesn't know that I drove 200+ miles to Corpus the day after 9/11 to re-up. Got politely turned down by a classmate and his CO. Plenty of sub drivers out there. A surplus of both line and staff officers of command grade. So, I turned my talents to the civilian side with organizing troop supply rallies.

You now know one regular member who was not aware of that, and to be honest I'm impressed
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Fortunately this is not Australia...
Give me a break Admiral, please remember Somerled ain't the only Aussie here

I am another and there will be others to whom that is "news". :rolleyes:

Who are you trying to impress ?

I'm guessing no one. but at least he supports the Troops. He isn't Like you who hates the Military and wants to see them hurt or killed.

Care to quote me where I stated I hate the miliary , I certainly do not hate the ADF.

When the miliitary invade a country and forceably occupy it, they are legitimate targets for attack, some will be killed and more will be injured, don't blame the people who are attacking them, blame the fools and imbecciles in the whitehouse who sent them there in the first place and placed them in harms way.

They only go where the government sends them and do what they are ordered to do (by the government). The organisation I detest is Bush Jr's regime in the whitehouse , and I loathed Howard's government in Canberra almost as much (they are now gone .... good ridence to bad rubbish).
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somerled
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rowskid86
Feb 10 2008, 12:01 PM
somerled
Feb 9 2008, 08:56 PM
captain_proton_au
Feb 8 2008, 01:56 AM
somerled
Feb 1 2008, 06:29 PM

Unlike the USA , Australia is not miltarised.

:blink: :blink: :blink:


Timor
Fiji
Solomons
Afghanistan
Iraq


Did I miss any recent ones?

Well if it wasn't for the USA , we would not be involved in Afganistan or Iraq at all.

The others are peacekeeping missions and very small deployments .

If it wern't for the USA you'd be speaking Jappenese.


Edit: Didn't the Fiji government say any aussie troops landing in Fiji and act of invasion. http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=64936

Had that discussion before , and you are wrong. The AIF stopped (defeated) the Japanese in New Guinea with little or no USA support.

Maybe you've not heard of the Kokoda Trail Campaign which is where the JEA were defeated for the first time and the turning point where the JEA were forced to retreat. Thanks to the 9th Div AIF , the same division who Rommell couldn't kick out of Trebruk.

Got news for you .... the USA didn't win WWII single handedly and WWII started in 1939 , not 1942.
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somerled
Feb 9 2008, 07:07 PM
When the miliitary invade a country and forceably occupy it, they are legitimate targets for attack, some will be killed and more will be injured, don't blame the people who are attacking them....
Are you still talking about the Aussie invasion of Fiji? Was there a UN mandate or world agreement behind that?
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somerled
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Feb 10 2008, 12:23 PM
somerled
Feb 9 2008, 07:07 PM
When the miliitary invade a country and forceably occupy it, they are legitimate targets for attack, some will be killed and more will be injured, don't blame the people who are attacking them....
Are you still talking about the Aussie invasion of Fiji? Was there a UN mandate or world agreement behind that?

Re Fiji , I am not sure , or to be more accurate - I don't recall the exact circumstances (wasn't there an attempted military coupe or a mutany and the Fiji government asked Canberra to intervene .... most the deployment was AFP (cops)) , Howard was PM then.

EDIT: PM Qarase was elected and the Fiji military promptly mutinied if I remember correctly. I am a bit hazy on the circumstances , but I think Qarase called for assistance from NZ and Australia and the RAN dispatched a couple of ships to Fiji (including one of our heavy amphibious assault ships).

I don't recall so much as a single shot being fired in anger by either the mutinous Fiji soldiers or by the RAN or the RNZN or by any troops who were deployed to the island.
The whole thing turned out pretty ammicably and the mutineers returned to their barracks and only their leaders were prosecuted.

Keep in mind that Fiji is a very popular place for Australians and kiwis to visit and there are substantial expat populations there. So what happens in Fiji is important to us.
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Got news for you .... the USA didn't win WWII single handedly and WWII started in 1939 , not 1942.


Imigine if we never had the Lend lease act with the Brits. Imigine if we never gotten in the war in the Pacific. who would have Supplied arms to Britain before we got into the war. those materials where cruical to winning the battle of Britain. if they would have lost Operation Sea Lion would have been Successful. Europe Lost. Sho would have did the majority of the containment of the Jappenese? You guys who barely hung in there. With our help. How many battle did you win again?

And as I recall when the War started in 1939 the french fell, the UK would have fallen if it wasn't for us boosting their war materials and giving crucial goods. And I beleive the Japanese attacked the US because they saw us as a major threat. I don't remember them attacking Australia with a massive surprise attack on the prosumpision of peace. Did they?

And as I recall before we entered the war the Allies lost in Greece, north Africa, and I think Crete as well.
Oh and here is a nice little thing from a the Austrailian War Memorial. An Aussie web page
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nd when the United States assumed responsibility for the country's defence, providing reinforcements and equipment. The threat of invasion receded further as the Allies won a series of decisive battles: in the Coral Sea, at Midway, on Imita Ridge and the Kokoda Trail, and at Milne Bay and Buna.

http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/ww2.htm

We won Midway, WE won Coral Sea (Which every Carrier was one of ours, and major turning points) plus the Island Hopping campaign was fought and won pretty much by our Marine Corps.

I'm not saying we did all the work, but a good majority. Plus we fought extensively in two theaters with full force.

hope thats enough of a history lesson?
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captain_proton_au
Feb 7 2008, 10:56 AM
somerled
Feb 1 2008, 06:29 PM

Unlike the USA , Australia is not miltarised.

:blink: :blink: :blink:


Timor
Fiji
Solomons
Afghanistan
Iraq


Did I miss any recent ones?

Can't see any missed here Capt but maybe one too many added, to my knowledge we do not have any military presence in Fiji.

Rowskid, the lendlease agreement did little if anything in the war effort for Britain other than bonding the two nations, obsolete naval ships were of a moral boost to the nation rather than reinforcement of naval capability.

I am personally getting tired of hearing how Australia was "saved" by a crusading American cavalery charge to the rescue...Remember the Japs attacted PEARL HARBOUR not SYDNEY HARBOUR to start the Pacific war, we were allies with the same goal.... starting to wish we were speaking "Jappenese" instead of hearing you guys harp over n over on how you saved our butts.

Though I do understand it is usually in response to US bashing by our resident US hater
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Had the USA not entired WWII , the Germans and Italians would still have been defeated (by the Commonwealth (UK etc) and the Russioans) , Hitler's biggest blunder was attacking the Russians.

The Japanese supply lines were already stretched by the time they invaded New Guinea (which was part of Australia then , being Australian territory). It is doubtful the Japanese could have successfully invaded and occupied northern mainland Australia (which was even more sparsely populated than now and so they would have found it hard to live off the land up north in continential Australia..
There is a big difference between invading a small archelligo or island which can be easily supplied by sea and where tank battles are not practical , and invading a large empty and very dry in the main continent, where a scorched earth policy can be an effect weapon against an invader as Napoleon found out in the 1800s and Hitler found out in WWII.

The USA entering WWII only made winning easier and quicker.

The biggest beneficiary from WWII was the USA.
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Had the USA not entired WWII , the Germans and Italians would still have been defeated (by the Commonwealth (UK etc) and the Russioans) , Hitler's biggest blunder was attacking the Russians
Somerled, no offence mate but that statement seems to me to be fanciful, please explain how the "Commonwealth" would have mounted an invasion of continental Europe without the resources and manpower of the US?
From my understanding of WW11 the Russians would not have been able to withstand the full onslaught of the German war machine. Germany had to hold at least 10% of it's armed forces in Western Europe to guard against an Allied invasion, that 10% from my reading would have tipped the balance against the Russians and god knows what path history would have taken with a Nazi regime intact in the fifties and sixties
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