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Mentally disabled women used to kill in Iraq
Topic Started: Feb 1 2008, 01:41 PM (635 Views)
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More than 70 people have been killed by two bombs in Baghdad, attached to two mentally disabled women and detonated remotely, says a security official.

"The al-Qaeda terrorists and criminals are proud of this method," Brig Qassem Ata al-Moussawi told the BBC.

The death toll in Friday morning's attacks at two animal markets was the highest in months in Baghdad.

Correspondents say a fragile sense of normality had returned to the capital following an influx of US troops.

Security has improved significantly since the US implemented its troop "surge" in the second half of 2007.

A ceasefire announced in August by the Mehdi Army militia of Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr, as well as the emergence of local Sunni militia armed by the US military that took on al-Qaeda in Iraq, have also contributed to the sense of security.

Figures released by Iraqi ministries on Friday suggested that the number of civilians and security forces killed across Iraq in January - 541 - was the lowest monthly total for nearly two years.

But that renewed confidence could be shattered by Friday's deadly bombings, the worst to hit the Iraqi capital since three car bombs killed 80 people last 1 August.

The blasts came shortly before the call to Friday prayers when many Iraqis were out shopping or meeting friends.

The first device was detonated by a female suicide bomber at around 1020 local time (0720GMT) in the popular Ghazil animal market, killing at least 46 people and injuring a further 80.

A popular spectacle for Baghdadis, the animal market only opens on Fridays and regularly draws large crowds, despite having been targeted by bombers twice in 2007.

Just 20 minutes after the first explosion, a second bomb tore through another crowded market in the Jadida area of east Baghdad, killing at least 27 people and injuring 67.

Iraqi security forces spokesman Brig Moussawi told the BBC: "The operation was carried out by two booby-trapped mentally disabled women. [The bombs] were detonated remotely.

"Forensic and bomb squad experts as well as the people and traders of al-Shorja area of the carpet market have confirmed that the woman who was blown-up there today was often in the area and was mentally disabled...

"In the New Baghdad area the shop owners and customers of the pet market confirmed that the woman who was blown-up there was mentally disabled as well."

The US ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, said al-Qaeda had found a "different, deadly" technique.

"There is nothing they won't do if they think it will work in creating carnage and the political fallout that comes from that," he said.

Police and medical officials piled the dead and injured into wheelbarrows, cars and the back of pick-up trucks to be transported to five hospitals across the city.

An official at the capital's Kindi hospital said at least 30 bodies had been received.

"We have a disaster here," he said. "There are too many bodies to count."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7221639.stm
Absolutely sickening and a reminder of the lengths these people will go to in order to cause death and destruction.

One thing however - this comes across to me as a desperate ploy to keep up the violence. Wonder why they are not sending suicide bombers - perhaps recruitment has dried up and/or the extra US security is stopping them?

Hard to believe that anyone would voluntarily want to give their life for a people and a cause who will use two mentally disabled women to kill their felow Muslims.
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Sickening indeed! :angry:

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The first device was detonated by a female suicide bomber at around 1020 local time (0720GMT) in the popular Ghazil animal market, killing at least 46 people and injuring a further 80.

Neither woman is what I would call a "suicide bomber" either.
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Sickening, but not surprising.

To paraphrase Golda Meir:
They'll stop fighting when they love their children more than they hate others.
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^^

I can't think of a better reason to keep killing them on sight...Other than them using kids for the same thing, or beheading people who don't follow their beliefs.

For these women, and the kids those cowards used, I hope there is a special place in Heaven for them.

For the scum that made them do it, I hope there is an especially hot place in hell for them...And, I hope its an American soldier who sends them there.

Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?
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Feb 2 2008, 08:28 PM
^^

I can't think of a better reason to keep killing them on sight...Other than them using kids for the same thing, or beheading people who don't follow their beliefs.

For these women, and the kids those cowards used, I hope there is a special place in Heaven for them.

For the scum that made them do it, I hope there is an especially hot place in hell for them...And, I hope its an American soldier who sends them there.

Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?

I don't think shooting suspects on sight is the answer.

Unfortunately this is a mess that is the USA's making , and so long as the USA has troops there, this kind of thing will keep on happening ,and the victims wont be predominantly american soldiers , it will continue to be innocent Iraqi civilians who happen to be in wrong place at the wrong time.

That said , there are easy and practical technological solutions to remote detonated bombs that can easily be implimented right now.

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Feb 2 2008, 12:55 PM
8247
Feb 2 2008, 08:28 PM
^^

I can't think of a better reason to keep killing them on sight...Other than them using kids for the same thing, or beheading people who don't follow their beliefs.

For these women, and the kids those cowards used, I hope there is a special place in Heaven for them.

For the scum that made them do it, I hope there is an especially hot place in hell for them...And, I hope its an American soldier who sends them there.

Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?

I don't think shooting suspects on sight is the answer.

Unfortunately this is a mess that is the USA's making , and so long as the USA has troops there, this kind of thing will keep on happening ,and the victims wont be predominantly american soldiers , it will continue to be innocent Iraqi civilians who happen to be in wrong place at the wrong time.

That said , there are easy and practical technological solutions to remote detonated bombs that can easily be implimented right now.

This isnt a mess that is the USA's making. It is al-Qaeda and the Islamist terrorists who have created the problem.

Imagine where Iraq could be today if there had been no terrorist attacks, kidnappings etc after the fall of Saddam. It could have been well on its way to being one of the most prosperous and democratic nations in the region.

The USA has not tried to prevent it from reaching that goal of being stable and prosperous. That is the goal the US shares for that country. Its the terrorists who are scared of a stable, prosperous, democratic and pro-western Iraq. Its the terrorists who are so scared by the idea that they will stop at nothing, including this use of disabled women, in an attempt to derail it.

As for "easy and practical" technological solutions... I think that if they existed as a viable option and were really so easy and pratical then the most technologically advanced nation on the planet - the US - would have used them.

8247
 
Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?

You dont talk to the people involved in the terrorism but you do need diplomacy and political development to isolate the terrorists.

What happened in Northern Ireland shows why you would want to use diplomacy because ultimately diplomacy and negotiation is the only acceptable answer to the overall problem.
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Feb 2 2008, 05:55 AM
Unfortunately this is a mess that is the USA's making , and so long as the USA has troops there, this kind of thing will keep on happening ,and the victims wont be predominantly american soldiers , it will continue to be innocent Iraqi civilians who happen to be in wrong place at the wrong time.

I know! I know! Homicide bombings, heinous acts and horrendous Muslim infighting were unheard of before the USA showed up!

:rolleyes:
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Somerled, you really need to start watching the news instead of listening to propaganda. Your comments show such gross ignorance of the situation it is beyond belief.

I think ds9074 summed it up beautifully.
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Feb 3 2008, 12:50 AM
somerled
Feb 2 2008, 12:55 PM
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Feb 2 2008, 08:28 PM
^^

I can't think of a better reason to keep killing them on sight...Other than them using kids for the same thing, or beheading people who don't follow their beliefs.

For these women, and the kids those cowards used, I hope there is a special place in Heaven for them.

For the scum that made them do it, I hope there is an especially hot place in hell for them...And, I hope its an American soldier who sends them there.

Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?

I don't think shooting suspects on sight is the answer.

Unfortunately this is a mess that is the USA's making , and so long as the USA has troops there, this kind of thing will keep on happening ,and the victims wont be predominantly american soldiers , it will continue to be innocent Iraqi civilians who happen to be in wrong place at the wrong time.

That said , there are easy and practical technological solutions to remote detonated bombs that can easily be implimented right now.

This isnt a mess that is the USA's making. It is al-Qaeda and the Islamist terrorists who have created the problem.

Imagine where Iraq could be today if there had been no terrorist attacks, kidnappings etc after the fall of Saddam. It could have been well on its way to being one of the most prosperous and democratic nations in the region.

The USA has not tried to prevent it from reaching that goal of being stable and prosperous. That is the goal the US shares for that country. Its the terrorists who are scared of a stable, prosperous, democratic and pro-western Iraq. Its the terrorists who are so scared by the idea that they will stop at nothing, including this use of disabled women, in an attempt to derail it.

As for "easy and practical" technological solutions... I think that if they existed as a viable option and were really so easy and pratical then the most technologically advanced nation on the planet - the US - would have used them.

8247
 
Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?

You dont talk to the people involved in the terrorism but you do need diplomacy and political development to isolate the terrorists.

What happened in Northern Ireland shows why you would want to use diplomacy because ultimately diplomacy and negotiation is the only acceptable answer to the overall problem.

I completely disagree , had the USA not invaded Iraq in the first place, then Iraq would not NOW be the problem it is now, and al Quaeda would not be there.

In fact , the middle east would now be a very much more stable region.

So the fact the al Quaeda s now using suciide bombers , and also in the latest case , shanghying intellectually disabled peoiple to be bomb vest carriers (and essentially murdering them when they the bombs they are unwittenly wearing are remotely detonated) still does not take the ultimate blame away from the USA.

al Quaeda is there because the USA is there .... that is FACT.
al Quaeda was not active in Iraq before the invasion ... FACT.

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Feb 3 2008, 09:52 AM
Somerled, you really need to start watching the news instead of listening to propaganda. Your comments show such gross ignorance of the situation it is beyond belief.

I think ds9074 summed it up beautifully.

Minuet , it is you who really needs to start watching the news instead of listening to and reading propaganda.

Granted , I have been enroute to and from Groote Eylandt this week for a business trip , to do an energy efficiency audit and some consulting work while there , so I have not seen much iof the news THIS week.
(Took a bit of time to fly from Newcastle --> Brisbane --> Cairns --> Darwin --> Groote Eylandt (2 nights at Alyangula) ---> Darwin --> Brisbane --> home).
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Feb 3 2008, 12:50 AM
somerled
Feb 2 2008, 12:55 PM
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Feb 2 2008, 08:28 PM
^^

I can't think of a better reason to keep killing them on sight...Other than them using kids for the same thing, or beheading people who don't follow their beliefs.

For these women, and the kids those cowards used, I hope there is a special place in Heaven for them.

For the scum that made them do it, I hope there is an especially hot place in hell for them...And, I hope its an American soldier who sends them there.

Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?

I don't think shooting suspects on sight is the answer.

Unfortunately this is a mess that is the USA's making , and so long as the USA has troops there, this kind of thing will keep on happening ,and the victims wont be predominantly american soldiers , it will continue to be innocent Iraqi civilians who happen to be in wrong place at the wrong time.

That said , there are easy and practical technological solutions to remote detonated bombs that can easily be implimented right now.

This isnt a mess that is the USA's making. It is al-Qaeda and the Islamist terrorists who have created the problem.

Imagine where Iraq could be today if there had been no terrorist attacks, kidnappings etc after the fall of Saddam. It could have been well on its way to being one of the most prosperous and democratic nations in the region.

The USA has not tried to prevent it from reaching that goal of being stable and prosperous. That is the goal the US shares for that country. Its the terrorists who are scared of a stable, prosperous, democratic and pro-western Iraq. Its the terrorists who are so scared by the idea that they will stop at nothing, including this use of disabled women, in an attempt to derail it.

As for "easy and practical" technological solutions... I think that if they existed as a viable option and were really so easy and pratical then the most technologically advanced nation on the planet - the US - would have used them.

8247
 
Those of you who think that diplomacy is the answer...How do you talk to people like this, and why would you want to?

You dont talk to the people involved in the terrorism but you do need diplomacy and political development to isolate the terrorists.

What happened in Northern Ireland shows why you would want to use diplomacy because ultimately diplomacy and negotiation is the only acceptable answer to the overall problem.

Well it is a simple matter to shut down base-stations for the Iraqi mobile phone network in areas were large numbers of people gather (that would stop terrorists from using mobile phones adapted to become detonators).
Radio can easily be jammed too.

This wont stop al Quaeda from using lasers to remotely detonate this kind of bomb , but they would have to have clear line of sight to the bomb mule and would have to aim the laser precisely at a detector. (A bit obvious while doing this.)
Nor will it stop them from using timers on the bomb vests.

This would make it very much harder for al Quaeda to carry out this kind of attack , they would have to use their own volunteers as suicide bombers instead.
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A few points. First the US already has jamming technology which they use in their patrols though it is still not full proof.

Second, I believe your statement to be impractical, we are talking about a country. Do you know how many public gathering places there a in Baghdad alone? Try just counting mosques to start with, the more on to schools, markets, parks, etc.

To cover all that you have to jam and block cell phone and radio all over. In other words you would be denying all Iraqis cellphone and radio communication. Is this what you are advocating?
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A few points. First the US already has jamming technology which they use in their patrols though it is still not full proof.

Second, I believe your statement to be impractical, we are talking about a country. Do you know how many public gathering places there a in Baghdad alone? Try just counting mosques to start with, the more on to schools, markets, parks, etc.

To cover all that you have to jam and block cell phone and radio all over. In other words you would be denying all Iraqis cellphone and radio communication. Is this what you are advocating?

Most of the attacks are soft targets , ie public gatherings , so what the USA mililtary do to protect themselves when on patrol is of no value , and anyway , soldiers are a legitimate target for the insurgents , and for al Quaeda and if some of them are killed that is a cost of being an occupying army who is not welcome.

The effective range of mobile base stations is very limited, so selectively turning off base stations near known public gathering places will mean this will work and be effective.
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Feb 2 2008, 07:49 PM
Most of the attacks are soft targets , ie public gatherings , so what the USA mililtary do to protect themselves when on patrol is of no value , and anyway , soldiers are a legitimate target for the insurgents , and for al Quaeda and if some of them are killed that is a cost of being an occupying army who is not welcome.

Occupying armies don't support democratically elected governments ... that is FACT. :wave2:

The troops are there by request of the government. They can ask for the troops to be pulled out at anytime ... FACT.

Remove the troops and violence will increase ten-fold.
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A few points. First the US already has jamming technology which they use in their patrols though it is still not full proof.

Second, I believe your statement to be impractical, we are talking about a country. Do you know how many public gathering places there a in Baghdad alone? Try just counting mosques to start with, the more on to schools, markets, parks, etc.

To cover all that you have to jam and block cell phone and radio all over. In other words you would be denying all Iraqis cellphone and radio communication. Is this what you are advocating?

Most of the attacks are soft targets , ie public gatherings , so what the USA mililtary do to protect themselves when on patrol is of no value , and anyway , soldiers are a legitimate target for the insurgents , and for al Quaeda and if some of them are killed that is a cost of being an occupying army who is not welcome.

The effective range of mobile base stations is very limited, so selectively turning off base stations near known public gathering places will mean this will work and be effective.

You're missing the issue of prevention. The US can equip their vehicles with jamming equipment because they know that they are targets. For the communal places, you don't. You only know that some will be targets but don't know which or when. There are too many to cover unless, again, you want to deny communications almost all Iraqis.
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