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Who is John McCain..Really?
Topic Started: Jan 31 2008, 02:01 AM (329 Views)
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This is a transcript of an interview between Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin. There are things here that anyone seriously thinking about voting for John McCain should know. Read the whole thing.

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GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. I'm glad you're listening today. I will tell you that the staff at the Glenn Beck program has had an intervention on me about a half hour ago because I'm a little testy, quite frankly. It might have to do with internal bleeding that we haven't been able to find yet or, you know, the anemia or any of the other things going on in my life right now, the lack of sleep, et cetera, et cetera. Or it could just be boiled down to John McCain. And when I say John McCain, my frustration comes from I don't understand America that can say, look at how wrong John McCain has been. 70% of America says John McCain is wrong about immigration. They believe in securing the border, et cetera, et cetera. And he says he has an epiphany.

Well, now, when you listen to the American people, okay, great, I had an epiphany, I listened to the American people. The reason why I'm so upset is what you're going to hear in the next few minutes. It is something that most of America doesn't know and when you hear the facts laid out before you about John McCain, it should make your blood boil. Whether it will or not, I don't know, but it should. Michelle Malkin is here and she's gooding to lay the whole story out. Hi, Michelle.

MALKIN: Hi, Glenn.

GLENN: Have you ever seen such an audacious slap in the face to the American people as this?

MALKIN: I haven't felt one like this in a long time, Glenn. I'm still reeling from it. But I do hope that as more people find out about McCain's open border roots that they won't buy the dye job that he's given himself and the instant immigration makeover that he's trying to sell to conservatives and Republicans.

GLENN: Okay, I want you to lay it -- two pieces of audio, one from John McCain being asked about it and then another piece of audio from the gentleman that is now working with him. So you tell me the best time to play it while you explain what he's doing right now behind everybody's back.

MALKIN: Sure. Well, last month I received a tip from a concerned reader and she had listened to John McCain speak to the Hispanic Republicans in Nevada at a conference and apparently at this conference McCain was trying to tout his connection to a man named Dr. Juan Hernandez who has been named the national director of Hispanic outreach for the McCain 2008 campaign. This reader of mine was appalled when she learned of this hire and it had exactly the opposite effect that apparently McCain wanted it to have. This was supposed to be reassuring to Hispanic Republicans that this guy had been hired as outreach.

My colleague at hotair.com, Bryan Preston, confirmed this staff hire and, in fact, on John McCain's daughter's campaign website, there's a lovely, cozy picture of Juan Hernandez pivoting with Meghan McCain and Mark MacKinnon who is the campaign guru for John McCain. Well, who is this guy? I'm quite familiar with him. I've debated him several years on the cable TV circuit because he's one of the most ubiquitous ethnocentric open borders zealots on the scene.

GLENN: I have never -- you know what, Michelle, he's been on my show quite a few times. In fact, I've banned him from the show. I'm just not going to give the guy any more airtime.

MALKIN: Good. He is an expert at filibustering and he is an expert at crooked talk. He talks a smooth game about how, of course, he supports our immigration laws but at the same time he had served as a Mexican cabinet official under Vicente Fox where he worked diligently to do nothing but undermine sovereignty and our laws. Yeah, it would be a great time to go ahead and play one of those audio clips because --

GLENN: Let's play, Stu, let's first play the John McCain and then we'll play the second clip of Juan Hernandez.

STU: Right, this is the answer because someone actually asked about Juan Hernandez.

GLENN: Here it is, here's John McCain.

VOICE: I wonder if you agree with those policies. If so, explain it to me. And if not, why is he on your staff.

McCAIN: He's on my staff because he supports my policies and my proposals and my legislative proposal to secure the borders first, that no one will receive Social Security benefits who is in this country illegally. I don't know what his previous positions are, other previous positions are but he supports mine. I have nothing to do with his. And he has volunteered to help me with outreach to our Hispanic citizenry as that is his reach as I outreach to every citizen in America. I've made very clear my position on immigration, made very clear on my position on Social Security and, of course, I am grateful that we have so many people who came from Ireland to the United States of America and anybody else who can come here legally under the right system and that's the only system that I would ever support and I have no idea but I will check into the information you've given me. But I want to promise you I will secure our borders. I will not allow anyone to come here illegally. I will not allow anyone to receive Social Security or any other benefit because they have come here illegally and broken our laws.

GLENN: Okay. That's John McCain. Now, it's so disingenuous to say he doesn't know who this man is or his policies. This is a guy who used to work for Vicente Fox. He is the most open border guy you could possibly imagine. Here's just one clip of Juan Hernandez, and we've got tons of them and we'll be playing them over the next few days. Here's just one clip of Juan Hernandez on TV.

HERNANDEZ: I don't think that we need to build walls to control immigration. We are the 21st century now and we're a country that has always broken down walls. Once again with regard to securing the borders, we need to work with Mexico. We're never going to have a secure border. We're not going to put a wall up for these hundreds and hundreds thousands of miles. We have to work with our neighbors. We need to think now for the future. Canada, the United States and Mexico as a block.

GLENN: Canada, Mexico and America as a block. That's who this guy is. Michelle?

MALKIN: A block, not a region. He said it many times. He also, when he worked for this Mexican bureaucracy called the presidential office for Mexican abroad, what he did was he spent his time traveling all across our country lobbying local, state and federal officials for driver's license for illegal aliens. He defended his operators who were carrying illegal aliens to the country and who promoted extending banking privileges here in the United States to illegal aliens, lobbied to get lower rates for them so that they could send home billions of dollars in remittances back to their country. The guy does not believe in borders. He is a senior fellow at something called the Reform Institute which is a think tank that John McCain founded and it has come under scrutiny by the mainstream media because it underscores John McCain's hypocrisy not just on open borders but also on campaign finance because he's used his supposedly nonpartisan, nonprofit thinking to solicit donations from big donors who he then goes and crusades for while he's sitting on Senate committees. At this reform institute which is in part funded with George Soros money, Juan Hernandez was in charge of leading the lobbying campaign for John McCain's amnesty effort last year. And this reform institute also sponsored an art contest for students where they spent their time demonizing the border. And you can go and look. I linked this on my website, to all of the art that compares the walls our borders and our border fences to the Berlin wall which keeps people in instead of walling people out to prevent invasion, to prevent undermining our sovereignty, to prevent encroaching of our laws. And for McCain to have the gall to stand there and tell that voter in Florida who, by the way, learned about this Juan Hernandez thing by looking at our research on the Internet, for him to say that he supports securing the border first when he's got a guy outreaching to illegal aliens to persuade them to make John McCain President? It's more than nauseating. I have an ulcer.

GLENN: Michelle, I mean, I don't think -- I just don't think I have ever seen, well, at least on the GOP side I don't think I have seen anything more insidious than this kind of stuff. I mean, this is Bill Clinton insidiousness. This is somebody who is taking and wrapping themselves around an issue and trying to convince the American people that he's doing one thing and he is doing exactly the opposite behind our back.

If John McCain would get into office and this stuff would happen, I really honestly think, Michelle, and talk me down from this tree, I think John McCain is more dangerous even than Hillary Clinton because at least Hillary Clinton has Bill Clinton to make her triangulate eventually. There will be no stopping between John McCain and the Progressives of going down a road that is massive internationalists. Right or wrong?

MALKIN: I'm with you on much of that. I think it's fascinating to --

GLENN: But hang on, Michelle. My point is if you have Hillary Clinton try to pull off what John McCain is going to try to pull off, I mean, and I don't believe he doesn't know this guy's policies. This guy is a leader. If he tried to pull this off and you have a Progressive Democratic congress, there's no one to stop it because there's enough John McCain Republicans in congress that it would sweep through. They're going to sweep through all kinds of treaties, all kinds of internationalism and there would be no stopping it. I mean, you've got -- how did we get welfare reform? We got it with a Democratic President and a Republican congress. They swept it through. You want to have gigantic international global warming treaties or gigantic treaties that are signed for setting up a block of Mex-Ameri-Canada, you put John McCain in office.

MALKIN: Yeah, I understand your point about triangulation and I'm very down. I'm very depressed about the rise of John McCain. But I don't completely believe that we wouldn't be able to stop it. Look, we had a globalist open borders Republican President try to push amnesty through with the Progressive left, the open borders left. His name was George W. Bush and he did not get his way and that's thanks in large part to the conservatives and talk radio and in the grassroots who John McCain has the same hostility to. The point is we don't want to repeat history here. I don't want another George W. Bush open borders type in the White House. And, you know, I'm galled by all of the Republican establishments who think we should shut up about it. Yes, everybody should know about Juan Hernandez. Everybody should know about Jerry Perenchio who is the billionaire founder of Univision who is a national campaign co-chair of John McCain. People should know about it.

GLENN: What is his -- besides him being the head of Univision, what is, you know, what's so devious about him?

MALKIN: He's also -- I mean, he's Juan Hernandez with a billion dollars. Let's put it that way. He's led the campaign to fight an English emergent initiative which was hugely popular and won overwhelmingly in California with the 227 that abolished so-called bilingual education which is keeping students hostage and basically forcing them to learn a foreign language instead of English and it was included popularly and overwhelmingly especially by Hispanic parents, law-abiding Hispanic parents who were appalled at the public schools with teaching their kids Spanish instead of English. Well, Perenchio, who is the national co-chair for McCain, poured millions of dollars not only directly into the opposition campaign but he put hourly public service announcements on Univision claiming that this was just -- it was not about helping Hispanic families, he was about helping his bottom line an keeping people from watching Univision instead of putting it into American culture. He's also given tons of money to Planned Parenthood and the National Resources Defense Council and you can see these are birds of a feather, Juan Hernandez, Jerry Perenchio, John McCain who, you know, isn't just a guy, the open borders type but also happens to be one of these stop global warming fear mongers. So it all says, and people should know the company that he keeps and the outreach that he is doing now to Reagan is, you know, completely cynical move to try and get into the office and nobody should buy it. This is the New York Times' favorite Republican.

GLENN: So Michelle, we were doing the math today on the election. How do you reverse this?

MALKIN: Well, I said last night that it is a Mt. Everest battle for Mitt Romney and, of course, Mitt Romney has this problem but one problem he doesn't have is he doesn't have a record of crushing his shoe heel into the face of the conservatives. I would rather have someone who has, you know, had an epiphany and is now coming to court conservative votes because he wants to represent them than to somebody who even, as he now claims that he's the conservative frontrunner, continues to insult and spit in their faces.

GLENN: Michelle Malkin, I've got 30 seconds. If it's John McCain, Hillary Clinton, do you pull the lever for John McCain?

MALKIN: Not at this moment I don't. I'm running a poll right now on my site and you can see that there are a majority of my own readers who are going to sit home. And I think it's a big warning to the conservative movement out there. We still have time to fix this.

GLENN: Michelle Malkin, thank you very much, appreciate it.


:no: If McCain wins the nomination, election day will be a sad day in US history.

Mitt Romney, 2008!
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I voted for McCain back in 2000. I have a lot of respect for the guy. I have a lot more respect for a president who actually served in the military and served in a war when they decide to send other people's kids to go die. They know what war is like firsthand and most likely will be more careful when making the decision to go to war than what is currently acceptable.

As for the border issue, this is an important issue, and one worth addressing, but it's a problem that has been there a long long time and nobody has decided to address it until very recently.

I think there are more pressing issues than that to get all in an uproar about. War is the first I would say, and the state of the economy second. I would like the killing and the deficit spending to stop before we talk about building walls.
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UNGH!
I've learned my lesson. I'm going to take opinions from pundits like Beck and Malkin (you name him/her regardless of their viewpoint) with a grain of salt. I'll remain open to listening to as much "spin" as I can tolerate from both political parties but NO....

I'm not going to fall for the three minute sound bite or occacional opinion piece without studying, doing some research and forming my own opinion this time around. I figure I have ten months to commit to an informed choice.

So the pundits can spew all they want.

That being said, I see myself being easily encouraged/discouraged by this batch of presidential candidates. Republican and Democrat alike. It's going to be a hard choice and I too have my little biases for a presidential candidate only to be discouraged by something else about him/her down the line.

McCain-Powell 2008! ;)
Obama-Edwards 2008! ;)

All opinions subject to change. I've got ten months.
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From day one I have agreed with Chuck Norris about McCain's age.
I think he may be taken ill soon, the campaign alone should be wiping him out.
Worse for the Republican party, if it is Obama VS McCain you will have JFK VS Bob Dole. You vs Old. Anyone who liked McCain in 2000, well that was 8 long years ago.

I heard somebody call him Juan McCain yesterday and I thought boy that one's gonna stick.

The biggest reason I don't like him is I like Mitt better. I even like Huckabee better than McCain and Rudi better for that matter. :banghead: All the endorsements make no sense to me.
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:news: So you made me read that whole thing just to find out that McCain’s position on illegal immigration has not changed since the last congressional debate about it? Shocker :scared:


Oh but I do like the angry chicken little commentary it may in fact scare some people into voting and when the more people vote the better.
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Jan 31 2008, 08:53 AM
McCain-Powell 2008! ;)
Obama-Edwards 2008! ;)

All opinions subject to change. I've got ten months.

Remove Edwards and Im with you.
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Jan 31 2008, 07:53 AM
I've learned my lesson. I'm going to take opinions from pundits like Beck and Malkin (you name him/her regardless of their viewpoint) with a grain of salt. I'll remain open to listening to as much "spin" as I can tolerate from both political parties but NO....

I'm not going to fall for the three minute sound bite or occacional opinion piece without studying, doing some research and forming my own opinion this time around. I figure I have ten months to commit to an informed choice.

:clap:

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That being said, I see myself being easily encouraged/discouraged by this batch of presidential candidates.  Republican and Democrat alike.


And double :clap:

Sexy and intelligent, eh, Trep? Deadly combination, dear! ;)

I have to say this year so far is disappointing. First the Pats and the Giants in the Super Bowl and now this sorry lot for presidential material. What's next, Windows Vista Plus??? :rolleyes:

I could see me voting for Huckabee, but since he'll not win the nomination, that's out. Looks like I'll have to go with Paul - if he sticks with his motto of "principle, not party," then he should run an independent ticket when he fails to grab the nomination.
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He's too old
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Jan 31 2008, 09:43 AM
:news: So you made me read that whole thing just to find out that McCain’s position on illegal immigration has not changed since the last congressional debate about it? Shocker :scared:


Oh but I do like the angry chicken little commentary it may in fact scare some people into voting and when the more people vote the better.

Ok, nevermind the fact that he has changed says he's for border security, yet voted for amnesty, and associates with people who want to see America fall. Lets forget about that.

How about the fact that he is a bold faced liar too. He said last month that his knowledge on the economy was limited, yet last week when he was asked about it, he said "I don't know where you heard that from. I'm very informed about the economy." Or, last night..He said in the debate that Romney supported a timetable for withdrawl from Iraq, which also wasn't true.

So, he's either a liar, and not a very good one, or he's senile.
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he's for border security, yet voted for amnesty

Those are not necessarily contradictory opinions to hold. A perfectly rational policy position could be that border security must be increased but, due to the impracticality and negative effects of a mass deportation an amnesty is the least worst option for those already in the country.
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Jan 31 2008, 11:14 AM
Ok, nevermind the fact that he has changed says he's for border security, yet voted for amnesty, and associates with people who want to see America fall. Lets forget about that.

How about the fact that he is a bold faced liar too. He said last month that his knowledge on the economy was limited, yet last week when he was asked about it, he said "I don't know where you heard that from. I'm very informed about the economy." Or, last night..He said in the debate that Romney supported a timetable for withdrawl from Iraq, which also wasn't true.

So, he's either a liar, and not a very good one, or he's senile.

I know you don't agree with amnesty. But A world can exist with amnesty and border security. They are not mutely exclusive. McCann once supported performing amnesty first and then working on boarder security as a way combat the illegal immigration issue. He was strongly opposed for that position so he change it. Now he wants to work on boarder security first and then grant amnesty after that. He never said he was against amnesty, simply rearranged his priorities. So your transcript stating that he is lying because he is still supporting amnesty is wrong. Obviously Malkin, and Glenn don’t understand the situation or they are the ones trying to deceive.

You will have to prove that he associates with people who want to see America fall. Malkin, and Glenn show that McCann associates with someone they don’t like. But as much as Malkin, and Glenn would like to believe these aren’t the same thing.

You will have to give me context as to the Economy issue. But off the top of my head I believe McCann was saying he was not an Economist, and would need help in that area where he to become president. This is not the same as saying he is ill informed about the Economy. If he recently said he is informed of the Economy I don’t see that as a problem. One can be informed of the Economy and yet readily admit that they need help dealing with it. I’m informed about the Economy, and at the same time I would not be able to run the Economy. Not a lie at all.

Romney like most politicians was playing the fence when the said issue of time tables came up. He made a statement that he could use to both support the idea that he agreed with time tables or disagreed with time tables depending on which one made him more favorable with the people he was trying to pander too. McCann used that gray area against him. What’s the big deal about that?
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Well, wanting to see the US, Canada, and Mexico as one little EU type collective would be the downfall of the US.
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Jan 31 2008, 12:28 PM
^^^

Well, wanting to see the US, Canada, and Mexico as one little EU type collective would be the downfall of the US.


Well, you will have to provide context.


But the UK has not fallen because it is part of the real EU.
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Jan 31 2008, 05:38 PM
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Jan 31 2008, 12:28 PM
^^^

Well, wanting to see the US, Canada, and Mexico as one little EU type collective would be the downfall of the US.


Well, you will have to provide context.


But the UK has not fallen because it is part of the real EU.

No we havent and thats within a very close union of 25 nations.

In the case of Canada, Mexico and the USA..

I can't see a very close political union like the EU being realistic.

Even if it did occur the USA would be the overwealmingly dominant member state, unlike in the EU where there is no single dominant nation.
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