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Vermont to vote on arresting the president
Topic Started: Jan 29 2008, 04:03 PM (461 Views)
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http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll...359/1003/NEWS02

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BRATTLEBORO — Brattleboro residents will vote at town meeting on whether President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney should be indicted and arrested for war crimes, perjury or obstruction of justice if they ever step foot in Vermont.

The Brattleboro Select Board voted 3-2 Friday to put the controversial item on the Town Meeting Day warning.

According to Town Clerk Annette Cappy, organizers of the Bush-Cheney issue gathered enough signatures, and it was up to the Select Board whether Brattleboro voters would consider the issue in March.

Cappy said residents will get to vote on the matter by paper balloting March 4.

Kurt Daims, 54, of Brattleboro, the organizer of the petition drive, said Friday the debate to get the issue on the ballot was a good one. Opposition to the vote focused on whether the town had any power to endorse the matter.

"It is an advisory thing," said Daims, a retired prototype machinist and stay-at-home dad of three daughters.

So far, Vermont is the only state Bush hasn't visited since he became president in 2001.

Daims said the most grievous crime committed by Bush and Cheney was perjury — lying to Congress and U.S. citizens about the basis of a war in Iraq.

He said the latest count showed a total of 600,000 people have died in the war.

Daims also said he believed Bush and Cheney were also guilty of espionage for spying on American people and obstruction of justice, for the politically generated firings of U.S. attorneys.

Voting to put the matter on the town ballot were Chairwoman Audrey Garfield and board members Richard Garrant and Dora Boubalis.

Voting against the idea were board members Richard DeGray and Stephen Steidle.

Daims said the names submitted to the town clerk's office were the second wave of signatures the petition drive had to collect, because he had to rewrite the wording of the petition.

He said he gathered nearly 500 signatures in about three weeks, and he said most people he encountered were eager to sign it. He started the petition drive about three months ago.

"Everybody I talked to wanted Bush to go," he said, noting that even members of the local police department supported the drive.

"This is exactly what the charter envisioned as a citizen initiative," Daims said. "People want to express themselves and they want to say how they feel."

He said the idea is spreading: Activists in Louisville, Ky., are spearheading a similar drive, and he said activists were also working in Montague, Mass., a Berkshires town.

The article asked the town attorney to "draft indictments against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for crimes against our Constitution and publish said indictments for consideration by other authorities."

The article goes on to say the indictments would be the "law of the town of Brattleboro that the Brattleboro police ... arrest and detain George Bush and Richard Cheney in Brattleboro, if they are not duly impeached ..."

Daims said people in Brattleboro were willing to "think outside the box" and consider the issue.

Daims had no compunction in comparing Bush and Cheney with one of the most notorious people in history.

"If Hitler were still alive and walked through Brattleboro, I think the local police would arrest him for war crimes," Daims said.


Well then, I think that my money would be better spent elsewhere. Guess there will be no more Ben and Jerry's ice cream for me, and I won't be buying a Vermont Teddy Bear for Valentines Day for my girlfriend...not to mention, anything else from that state.

I have an idea for Vermont...well, it isn't my idea. Its one they have been thinking about though....Succeed from the union. Do it. We'll build a border fence, and you won't be able to get in or out of the new country without a passport. I think that would have a negative impact on their tourism, don't you? Oh...I guess Vermont would still want tax dollars from the federal government. I guess their 'open minds' weren't open enough to consider that if they do succeed.

I bet that if Amadenimjacket from Iran came there, he would be welcomed with open arms, and a parade thrown in his honor. Hell, let Chavez come too. They would love that, I bet.
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:lol: Actually that's kind of funny. While personally I think the idea is a bit ludicrous, I do love to see Americans assert their right to protest in imaginative ways! :yes:

"Don't tread on me!" (or is that New Hampshire...? :P )
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"This is exactly what the charter envisioned as a citizen initiative," Daims said. "People want to express themselves and they want to say how they feel."


I wonder if Daims would have any problems if I started a petition prohibiting him and the 500 people in his petition from entering my home town and if so doing artiest them for treason. I can guaranty that I can get you 500 signatures to support the measure

I don’t know if my town legislature would be cooky enough to put it to a vote though, I sure hope not.
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Impeachment Resolution Wins Washington State Senate Committee Vote

SJM 8016 has passed out of the WA State Senate Gov't and Op's Committee! All five Democrats on the committee vote yes. Now Senator Oemig's bill to impeach Bush and Cheney will head over to the Senate Rules Committee.

Thank you Chair Fairley, Senator Oemig, Sen. Kline, Sen. Pridemore and Sen. McDermott!

** Speaker Frank Chopp in the WA State House is the single most important person to contact right now. Please be relentless in your requests that he schedule a hearing for Rep. Chase's companion bill, HJM 4027. (360) 786-7920 Chopp.frank@leg.wa.gov

Washington State says "Impeach them!"
Linda Boyd
Washington For Impeachment

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Does a state senate have ANY authority in this matter? If not, these politicians should not receive public compensation to pursue fantasies brought on by BDS.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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More silly BDS. These loons need to get over this, the 2000 elections, the 2004 elections, the false "Bush lied people died" doggerel, et cetera.

This is meaningless symbolistic tripe. If Vermont doesn't like the policies of the United States government, then LEAVE.
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Jan 30 2008, 08:46 AM
More silly BDS. These loons need to get over this, the 2000 elections, the 2004 elections, the false "Bush lied people died" doggerel, et cetera.

This is meaningless symbolistic tripe. If Vermont doesn't like the policies of the United States government, then LEAVE.

What makes them loons ?

Too bad more states in the USA haven't taken similar steps.

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Agreed. We could start with Puerto Rico. :clap: ;)
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If Vermont doesn't like the policies of the United States government, then LEAVE.

I didnt think that was allowed - afterall didnt some states try to leave once before and it caused a lot of trouble?
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somerled
Jan 29 2008, 11:34 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 30 2008, 08:46 AM
More silly BDS. These loons need to get over this, the 2000 elections, the 2004 elections, the false "Bush lied people died" doggerel, et cetera.

This is meaningless symbolistic tripe. If Vermont doesn't like the policies of the United States government, then LEAVE.

What makes them loons ?

Too bad more states in the USA haven't taken similar steps.

What makes them Loons is not their opinion that the Bush administration should be thought of as war criminals. Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong it might be.

What makes them loons is their very silly way of expressing this opinion.
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Dr. Noah
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I am so glad we live in a free and open society where people have the freedom of speech and right to petition the government for redress of grievances. Unfortunately there are always a minority who don't see it that way, and thank God they don't have the power to change it.
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Noah,

Where are you living now? :Fes: ;)
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Dr. Noah
Jan 30 2008, 08:11 AM
I am so glad we live in a free and open society where people have the freedom of speech and right to petition the government for redress of grievances. Unfortunately there are always a minority who don't see it that way, and thank God they don't have the power to change it.

I am going to have to disagree with the remark you made here.

Not a single person here has stated that they disagree with the concept of these people speaking out or petitioning the government.

What they have said is that what these people have done is basically ineffective. They also exercised thier own freedom of speech to state that they disagree with the points being made by these people.

Sometimes I do wonder who really is trying to squelch free speech. Insulting others with false accusations could be seen as such......
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Admiralbill_gomec
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ds9074
Jan 30 2008, 07:01 AM
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If Vermont doesn't like the policies of the United States government, then LEAVE.

I didnt think that was allowed - afterall didnt some states try to leave once before and it caused a lot of trouble?

The populace can leave. They can go wherever they want. Canada, for example. Britain is another. I specifically did not say the word "secede" as it is illegal.

Sufficeth to say, I won't be ordering my bride a Vermont Teddybear this year for Valentine's Day.
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Jan 30 2008, 09:03 AM
Dr. Noah
Jan 30 2008, 08:11 AM
I am so glad we live in a free and open society where people have the freedom of speech and right to petition the government for redress of grievances.  Unfortunately there are always a minority who don't see it that way, and thank God they don't have the power to change it.

I am going to have to disagree with the remark you made here.

Not a single person here has stated that they disagree with the concept of these people speaking out or petitioning the government.

What they have said is that what these people have done is basically ineffective. They also exercised thier own freedom of speech to state that they disagree with the points being made by these people.

Sometimes I do wonder who really is trying to squelch free speech. Insulting others with false accusations could be seen as such......

:hail:
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Dr. Noah
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As History Dude said, I like to see Americans protest in creative ways.

What constitutes war crime? Is it lying about the reasons for going to war? Creating trumped up charges? Spying on your own population as the KGB did in the USSR?
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