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Feminism run amuck
Topic Started: Jan 29 2008, 07:13 AM (209 Views)
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Let me put my opinion of this upfront.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Were I Hillary, I would be furious at being portrayed as a victim by someone who supposedly supports me.

I have my problems with the woman (Hillary), but I do see her as a strong, intelligent PERSON - not someone who needs to be treated like fragile glass as this woman seems to think.

And don't get me started on the "gang bang" metaphor. :realmad: It's an insult to a lot of good men who don't deserve it and trivializes the pain of actual rape victims.

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Psychological Gang Bang of Hillary is Proof We Need a Woman President
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by Marcia Pappas, President NOW - New York State

We've all witnessed scenarios where, on the playground little girls are being taunted by little boys while both girls and boys stand idle, afraid to speak up or even cheering.  Or, in the workplace males tease young and older female co-workers; make obscene gestures, inappropriate comments, laughing and expecting (often correctly) that everyone will join in. Then there was that movie where Jodie Foster portrayed the true story of woman who was ganged raped in a bar while others looked on and encouraged the realization.  Still others pretended the rape didn't happen. In short, gang raping of women is commonplace in our culture both physically and metaphorically. 

This past week, we witnessed just such a phenomenon involving men who are afraid of a powerful woman. Hillary Clinton, in her quest for her Presidential nomination, has in fact endured infantile taunting and wildly inappropriate commentary.  Indeed we have witnessed almost comical attacks by John Edwards who in turn sided with Barak Obama as both snickered at Clinton's "breakdown," which consisted of a very short dewy-eyed moment. Now John Kerry, who should certainly know better after his own "swiftboating," has joined the playground gang.

But here's the news. Every woman knows how it feels! There are those who will dismiss, defend or even shame those around them into believing that we progressives are making a mountain out of a mole hill.  But that’s the game plan of the patriarchal system that has persisted for millennia. Because they can't frighten Hillary they've decided to control her with the time-old trick of patriarchal ridicule. Women, you know what I mean! 

Pundits want to know what happened in New Hampshire. Why didn't the polls see it coming?  How could they have gotten it so wrong?  Well, aside from the thousands of women and progressive men who made calls from their homes, dropped literature, and held house parties for undecided voters, the truth of the matter is…women get it!  That’s why, when women in New Hampshire could vote in private, they came out in droves for Hillary. They'd seen more Hillary bashing than had Iowa's women, and the polls stopped too early to measure their collective reaction.  What happened is that women stood up and said "We're fed up and we're not going to take it anymore!  We won't sit idly by and watch,  while you gang bang one of us." One woman told me she didn't even want to vote for Hillary because she feared that her campaign would be the most dreadful blood bath in the history of politics. I asked her “if Hillary is willing to stick her neck out for us, should we not be brave enough to stand strong behind her?”  She agreed and said of course she would vote for Hillary.

We have waited a long time to see our first truly viable women presidential candidate. And what we see now during the debates is what women and girls have experienced from time immemorial. But it seems John's recent alliance with Barak sent a clear message to women everywhere. The message is that if a woman gets too powerful, she can count on the good ole boys ganging up on her. Hillary is a powerful, strong and intelligent woman and she deserves our support.  Let us remember what we as women's rights supporters, are charged to do: SUPPORT WOMEN! 

And I, your writer,certainly speak from the belly of the beast. I was in Iowa for ten days with other feminist leaders, donating our personal time and money to help with Hillary's campaign. And in spite of our shortfall in Iowa, we did make a difference. Our efforts gave Hillary second place in the precinct we walked.  Let me tell you why. 

Our job on caucus night was to transport eight women from a nursing home to their caucus site. These were eighty-to-ninety-year-old women who came out in the cold weather and climbed into our vans to stand for Hillary. As we talked with glee about the possibility of our first women president, we were overjoyed to hear stories of their dedication to making it happen. One woman said "I never thought I would live long enough to see a woman president." Another woman said "It's about time; we need to have a woman as our President." These were women who were born around the time that women won the right to vote. They'd heard first-hand stories of that struggle from their mothers and grandmothers. They fought long and hard to see a day when they could have their own credit cards, own their own homes and be in control of their own bodies. They remember all too well when it was legal for a man to beat and/or rape his wife because she was HIS property. They remember when “rape” was ignored by people in the community and law enforcement officials.  “She must have done something to deserve it” was common language in those days.  Today we still see variations on this same behavior, more subtle perhaps, through success of our efforts, but nonetheless still abusive. 

Now those senior citizens we transported stood tall for Hillary, and want us all to know that to have a woman president is to send a clear message to little girls everywhere: "Yes, you can do great things and even become President of the United States."  Those senior citizens really get it! 

So let's not let young women and little girls down, whether it's on the playground, in the workplace, or in the political arena.  Young women need role models.  They need to know they can be powerful and control their own lives. By putting Hillary in the Oval Office we send that message loud and clear for all to hear. Little girls everywhere need to know that to be important they don't have to emulate Brittany Spears or other similarly-exploited women.  We can do it!

Think about the legacy we'll leave behind when we support Hillary Clinton for President of the United States. Let’s put a stop to the psychological “gang banging” of women and girls. Let's stand up and be counted by way of the hard-won votes we can now cast! 

Marcia A. Pappas, President, NOW New York State 


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When I first saw the HDRC teary eye thing, the cynic in me thought it was just part of the plan. So her ten second sound byte for the day on the news would help chip away that "too cold" view some had of her.


Plus from memory I think the tear welling came after she got a question about how proud she feels about america or being american or something.


I dont really think that many guys think that way anymore, that a misty eyed moment is automatically a sign of weakness, depends on what one is getting misty about
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A moment of weakness? No. A moment of manipulation? Very much so. Marcia Pappas had me laughing hysterically (well metaphorically) while reading the above article.

First lets dispense with the stupidity, it would seem her argument is that just because Kerry supported someone other then Clinton it must mean he is acting sexiest. This would then translate that anyone not supporting Clinton is sexiest and that is just a stupid argument, one that I would assume most ‘intelligent’ Feminists would cringe at. I assume the goal for Feminists is equality. The fact that a woman is a viable candidate for president should be all the victory they need in that goal; who actually wins should be irrelevant, who one supports should be irrelevant to that goal.

Now on to the sad realization that Marcia Pappas should come too. Clinton’s emotional display is no different then the woman who cry’s to get out of a speeding ticket. An act that should make Feminists infuriated. A woman acting week and over emotional just to get something out of the deal. A woman progressing sexists ideas for their own personal gain.

My wife told me she was discussed by Clintons act, and she is nether a conservative or a Feminists. What she is, is secure in the knowledge that woman have a tremendous amount of power, much more so then they had even 40 years ago and should not need to resort to such childishness.

Wanting to see the first Black president, or a first woman president, or even the first Mormon president, is not qualification enough to vote for them or against them.

Believing this above sentiment is more a testament to equality then seeing anyone of these people becoming president.

Why is it that Oboma and Clinton get to champagne equality through their minority statues, yet Romney does not even though he to has minority statues?
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We've all witnessed scenarios where, on the playground little girls are being taunted by little boys while both girls and boys stand idle, afraid to speak up or even cheering.  Or, in the workplace males tease young and older female co-workers; make obscene gestures, inappropriate comments, laughing and expecting (often correctly) that everyone will join in.


Sorry, Ms. Pappas, but I have not witnessed this; so much for we all! :rolleyes:

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This past week, we witnessed just such a phenomenon involving men who are afraid of a powerful woman. Hillary Clinton, in her quest for her Presidential nomination, has in fact endured infantile taunting and wildly inappropriate commentary.  Indeed we have witnessed almost comical attacks by John Edwards who in turn sided with Barak Obama as both snickered at Clinton's "breakdown," which consisted of a very short dewy-eyed moment. Now John Kerry, who should certainly know better after his own "swiftboating," has joined the playground gang.


I have to agree with Dan's sentiments. Let's face it - political campaigning is ugly and candidates don't pull any punches. The personal assaults fly around like flies on poop (an rather appropriate analogy in this context, methinks! ;) ). Hillary Clinton is involved in it and the target of attacks because she is a candidate for president, just like all the rest of them - not because she is being emotionally gang raped as a woman.
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