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| captain_proton_au | Jan 31 2008, 11:16 AM Post #46 |
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Anyway, haven't answered the poll yet : In terms of the Global Economy, definitely not a mistake, we should have more wars, the US should invade an African country next, Zimbabwe would be nice (I'm starting to think thats the only way we are going to get Africa out of the doldrums) In terms of Iraqis; I read in the paper today some British organization estimated that 1 Million Iraqis had died since the US invaded, I'm guessing thats the ceiling, so somewhere between 250K and 1 Million, poor blighters, I feel sorry for them. Too bad we didnt tell them that no one really has a clue on how to artificially create a democracy In terms of the WMD thing: Well D'uh! |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Jan 31 2008, 11:36 AM Post #47 |
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I didn't check Min's links, but to respond to Noah, YES, Saddam gassed people. He used poison gas on the Kurds after the Gulf War and he used it on Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. Saddam may not have been on a SCALE with Hitler (closer to Pol Pot), but he was every bit as verminous. Rape rooms, acid rooms, torture, throwing people off five story buildings (that act I actually watched a video of). The estimates of those murdered during his regime range between 300,000 and a million. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Jan 31 2008, 12:42 PM Post #48 |
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"Moral relativism crapola"? You don't believe in moral relativism? Well, in that case, since it's wrong to punch someone for no good reason, boxing and self defense must also be wrong. Right? |
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| RTW | Jan 31 2008, 01:07 PM Post #49 |
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| RTW | Jan 31 2008, 01:24 PM Post #50 |
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The Iraqi prosecutor in Saddam's trial put the number at 2,000,000. 2,000,000 would be 86,000/year, 238/day. 1,000,000 would be 43,000/year, 119/day. 300,000 would be 13,000/year, 36/day. Perhaps one number includes death in wars with Iran and Kuwait and the other doesn't? Would it not be fair to subtract these numbers from the number of deaths since? Of the civilian deaths since, how many are due to infighting? "Death's due to violence" isn't a very specific. |
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| RTW | Jan 31 2008, 01:28 PM Post #51 |
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Self-defense = "no good reason"? Boxing, where the point is for two WILLING participants to hit each other = "no good reason"? Wow. |
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| Minuet | Jan 31 2008, 01:36 PM Post #52 |
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With regards to the smiley - do you find the cartoon amusing? I don't. Truthful, but not in the least amusing.
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| Minuet | Jan 31 2008, 01:39 PM Post #53 |
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If two people cooperate on a suicide pact does that give thier deaths meaning or reason? I don't disagree that self defense is a good reason. But there is no good reason for boxing. It is a violent and bloodthirsty "sport". |
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| ImpulseEngine | Jan 31 2008, 01:56 PM Post #54 |
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RTW, You missed the point. Action: Punching someone. Contexts: 1) No good reason 2) Self defense 3) Boxing Does that clarify? |
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| RTW | Jan 31 2008, 02:04 PM Post #55 |
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While we agree, it's a value judgement. Some people, of potentially questionable sanity (another judgement ) may actually like participating in one on one "combat".If one is good, there's a lot of money in it. Boxing on the "undercard" in "small time" local events can pay $500-$1000 per fight, and participating in the main event can earn a boxer as much as $10,000. Then there's the million dollar paydays of nationally ranked boxers. Mike Tyson earned $75,000,000 in 1996. Yeah, he still ended up in prison, but theorectically, boxing kept the number of his unwilling victims down, and he did pay a lot of income tax in the process. It's not like he was on the fast track to becoming a doctor or rocket-scientist before choosing boxing as a career. |
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| RTW | Jan 31 2008, 02:06 PM Post #56 |
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No. Sorry.
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| Minuet | Jan 31 2008, 02:36 PM Post #57 |
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Or theoretically boxing taught him that violence is "norma"l. Boxing fed into his ego and made him think he was invincible. It is arguable that without boxing Tyson could have ended up normal and learned how to respect women. And you failed to respond on my suicide pact example - two people willingly conspiring together - but does that make it all right? |
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| Minuet | Jan 31 2008, 02:43 PM Post #58 |
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I think we may be letting this tangent get us too far away from the topic. Moral relativism aside -was it right or wrong for the US to invade Iraq. In my mind, due to the humanitarian issues, I think it was right. I also think action could have and should have been taken much faster against Hitler back in the 30's. I see nothing wrong with deposing cruel dictators and the only reason we are having this moral relativism debate is because we are too ambiguous in our morals. We need to stand up strong for what is right. If Bush lied (and I am not saying he did) maybe he did so to convince those who worry more about thier own selfish interests then they do about doing the right moral thing. |
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| Dandandat | Jan 31 2008, 03:49 PM Post #59 |
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Now that is a thought. |
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| RTW | Jan 31 2008, 04:23 PM Post #60 |
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Sure. Assuming he was normal before boxing... Not sure of the connection. I don't think he was disrespectful because of boxing.
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) may actually like participating in one on one "combat".

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