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Was the U.S. invasion of Iraq a mistake?
Topic Started: Jan 24 2008, 12:02 AM (1,500 Views)
somerled
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I voted YES , though I think calling it a "msitake' is underplaying the seriousness of it, mistakes are usually accidential and not premeditated, the war in Iraq was and is neither of these , I think the more appropriate word is CRIME.

The invasion and subsequent war in Iraq was and is a (war) crime (and a crime against humanity, and was always ever motivated by greed, paranoia and internal USA ultra-rightwing neocon politics).

History will judge Bush Jr very poorly over this.

Can USA ex-presidents be prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity ?
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Sgt. Jaggs
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How about a Voyager Movie
What do you care, it does not affect your life. Go fishing dude.
Why do you so delight in the Hate of the Bush Jr.?
I guess I would understand if you were a citizen who did not vote for him.
I think you are just rabble rousing us Americans, trying to get a rise out of a few chaps. Shame on you sir for your meddling antagonism. :rolleyes: :angry: :lol: :rollingpin:
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somerled
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Jan 25 2008, 12:39 PM
What do you care, it does not affect your life. Go fishing dude.
Why do you so delight in the Hate of the Bush Jr.?
I guess I would understand if you were a citizen who did not vote for him.
I think you are just rabble rousing us Americans, trying to get a rise out of a few chaps. Shame on you sir for your meddling antagonism. :rolleyes:  :angry:  :lol:  :rollingpin:

It effects everyone's lives , not the least because it has had a significant impact on :
-- petrol prices at the pump (currently $1.48 per litre for ULP here in Newcastle and $1.45 per litre yesterday in Sydney where I was there on business. ==> and the obvious followon to food prices , power prices , water prices and the cost of every thing else we all buy to survive.
-- world economic stability (I presume you read and watch the news , :doh: )
-- and it has only made terrorism more of a problem and given al Quaeda a great place to develop their skills and to train.
-- and finally , what happens in the middle east is important for everyone since we are reliant on middle eastern crude oil.

There is also the precedent set by the USA going to war on trumped up and falseified intelligence despite the rest of the world being opposed to this and it being illegal (the USA was not attacked or threatened in any way by Iraq, the USA engaged in blatent military agression and should not be allow to get away with this , more to the point the Bush Jr administration should be held to account internationally and prosecuted for war crimes if the USA's court system is too weak and watery kneed to deal with them.
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Fesarius
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I wish our current President could run for and win a third term.
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Dr. Noah
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I would prefer a president who is more careful with people's lives.
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Fesarius
Jan 24 2008, 08:31 PM
I wish our current President could run for and win a third term.

Agreed.

He had how many UN resolutions authorizing his use of force? Pro-active leaders willing to use force are so rare. How many lives were lost back in the 1940s because world leaders did not act on the threat? About 72,000,000? "Thousands now or millions later"?
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Dr. Noah
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That's hypothetical. By that argument should we topple every dictator in the world we don't like? What about the dictators we do like like Mushareff? Isn't he just as dangerous?
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ImpulseEngine
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Jan 24 2008, 10:31 PM
I wish our current President could run for and win a third term.

:thud:
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somerled
Jan 24 2008, 08:17 PM
I voted YES , though I think calling it a "msitake' is underplaying the seriousness of it, mistakes are usually accidential and not premeditated, the war in Iraq was and is neither of these , I think the more appropriate word is CRIME.

The invasion and subsequent war in Iraq was and is a (war) crime (and a crime against humanity, and was always ever motivated by greed, paranoia and internal USA ultra-rightwing neocon politics).

History will judge Bush Jr very poorly over this.

Can USA ex-presidents be prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity ?

Somerled,

You're trying too hard. :rolleyes: Even if everything you said here is true (and I'm certainly not saying it is), it could still be a mistake. The mistake would be in doing something deliberately that didn't turn out as expected. The question wasn't whether we invaded Iraq by mistake. Obviously, that much was on purpose and premeditated.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dr. Noah
Jan 24 2008, 11:15 PM
I would prefer a president who is more careful with people's lives.

Like who? Roosevelt? Truman? Kennedy? Johnson?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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ImpulseEngine
Jan 25 2008, 10:03 AM
Fesarius
Jan 24 2008, 10:31 PM
I wish our current President could run for and win a third term.

:thud:

I agree with Fes. Sorry, Dems.
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Dr. Noah
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Silly AB, those people are all dead. :lol:
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dr. Noah
Jan 29 2008, 11:02 AM
Silly AB, those people are all dead. :lol:

Is that the best you could do? You're very good with the cutesy remark, but when asked to back it up just slink away.

So, WHO would you prefer? There's a reason I mentioned those names. Take a little tiime, look them up, and you'll see why.
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Dr. Noah
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I believe we are talking about who we would like for the next president. Stop trying to bait me by using animal metaphors, I don't think your post has merit in this context. We are talking about the future not the past. This whole subtext is completely off topic anyway.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dr. Noah
Jan 29 2008, 11:41 PM
I believe we are talking about who we would like for the next president. Stop trying to bait me by using animal metaphors, I don't think your post has merit in this context.  We are talking about the future not the past.  This whole subtext is completely off topic anyway.

Animal metaphor? Say what? :rotfl: Other things "slink." This passive aggressive behavior doesn't work, either.

Actually, you are trying to bait me with "cutesy comments" like "Silly AB" et cetera. If you can't face up to having your own original bait (I would prefer a president who is more careful with people's lives) blown up in your face, then let the rest of us discuss.

Have a nice day! :wave2:
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