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Pick the Vice-President
Topic Started: Jan 21 2008, 05:05 AM (1,007 Views)
Dr. Noah
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Looks like Bush won Tennesse by around 800 votes. Because of Nader's stong influence in 2000, a lot of Democrat votes went to him. There were almost 20,000 votes for Nader in Tennessee. Although not enough for Gore to lose the popular vote nationwide. Gore very nearly carried Tennesse, and if not for Nader most likely would have.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 22 2008, 09:26 AM
Looks like Bush won Tennesse by around 800 votes.  Because of Nader's stong influence in 2000,  a lot of Democrat votes went to him. There were almost 20,000 votes for Nader in Tennessee.  Although not enough for Gore to lose the popular vote nationwide.  Gore very nearly carried Tennesse, and if not for Nader most likely would have.

I believe the number was 8,000, not 800. At the same time there were about 5000 votes each for the Reform and Libertarian candidates. That being said, you can't just say, "Well, if Nader didn't run they would have voted for Gore OR if Buchanan hadn't run they would have voted for Bush." Those voters may have stayed home, or could have voted for yet another candidate.

One thing I want to know is, "When will the left get over the 2000 elections?" It doesn't matter that Gore won the popular vote. It made him the THIRD candidate to win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote. Big deal.

So, let's get back to topic, shall we?



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In the USA, the states elect the President. That is why it is important to carry a state. The more populous the state, the more electoral votes it brings.


This is one reason why a Vice Presidential candidate is important. Another reason is that the VP candidate either supports the presidential candidate or balances the ticket (because the VP is also President of the Senate).
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Dr. Noah
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http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

I'm sorry I thought we were talking about Gore in the presidential race. If that is the case, then is not the last time he ran?

By the way, I am in no way a representative of "the left" whoever they may be.
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One oddity is that Cheney was from Wyoming, the least populated state, so he didn't really bring electoral votes. But, he did bring experience to the ticket, which helped.
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People voted for who they chose to vote for. If they'd have wanted Gore to win, they'd have voted for him and not whomever else. Silly arguement.

I don't blame Perot for the first Bush loosing, or Dole lossing, even though Clinton never carried a majority of the popular vote. If people would have wanted Bush or Dole, they'd have voted for Bush or Dole.
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Dr. Noah
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How easily some miss the point. Nader is left of Gore, so if Nader was not in the race or had less influence, the votes would most likely have gone to Gore.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 22 2008, 09:46 AM
How easily some miss the point. Nader is left of Gore, so if Nader was not in the race or had less influence, the votes would most likely have gone to Gore.

Or they might have just stayed home. Happens quite often.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 22 2008, 09:46 AM
How easily some miss the point. Nader is left of Gore, so if Nader was not in the race or had less influence, the votes would most likely have gone to Gore.

I don't think he missed the point. He just disagreed with it.
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Jan 22 2008, 01:45 PM
In the USA, the states elect the President. That is why it is important to carry a state. The more populous the state, the more electoral votes it brings.

I understand that bit. I guess my point is that if your going to pick a VP on the basis of whether they can carry a state for you then what is the point in picking them from a state that you are either a) very likely to win or b) very likely to loose. Their local advantage is likely to be wasted in both those cases. Better to pick them from a marginal state that could go either way as they may then be able to secure it.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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ds9074
Jan 22 2008, 10:36 AM
38957
Jan 22 2008, 01:45 PM
In the USA, the states elect the President.  That is why it is important to carry a state.  The more populous the state, the more electoral votes it brings.

I understand that bit. I guess my point is that if your going to pick a VP on the basis of whether they can carry a state for you then what is the point in picking them from a state that you are either a) very likely to win or b) very likely to loose. Their local advantage is likely to be wasted in both those cases. Better to pick them from a marginal state that could go either way as they may then be able to secure it.

It isn't the only reason, just one reason.
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Jan 22 2008, 07:41 AM
One oddity is that Cheney was from Wyoming, the least populated state, so he didn't really bring electoral votes.

Yeah, but he was young and handsome and had great hair - all which helps bring in the "chick" vote.

Oh darn - not another Dan Quayle flashback! :banghead:
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Dr. Noah
Jan 22 2008, 09:46 AM
How easily some miss the point. Nader is left of Gore, so if Nader was not in the race or had less influence, the votes would most likely have gone to Gore.

How easily those miss their own point.

The people who voted for Nader didn't vote for Gore, they didn't want Gore or else they would have voted for him. They wanted and voted for Nader. To say that Gore would have won if these voters didn't have the choice that they wanted is pathetic.

[Same (Il)Logic]If Buchannan was the only one on the ballot, he would have won; so the election results are invalid.[/Same (Il)Logic]

Gore didn't win because he couldn't get enough people to vote for him. End of story, so quit whining.
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Dr. Noah
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Who's whining? I think you are attributing an emotion where there is none.

Regarless of what you think, it was the closest election in history and that alone makes it historically significant if not all the various problems that surfaced in the process.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 23 2008, 07:26 AM
Who's whining? I think you are attributing an emotion where there is none.

Regarless of what you think, it was the closest election in history and that alone makes it historically significant if not all the various problems that surfaced in the process.

You're whining.

If only people didn't have the choice to vote for whom they want, then Gore would have won. Stupid old democracy.
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Dr. Noah
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Uh, right. Whatever you say. :lol:

If you don't want to discuss how close the race is fine, but don't attribute emotions to me that do not exist. I thought we were having a friendly discussion here regarding Gore and the presidential elections.

My mistake.
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