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Pick the Vice-President
Topic Started: Jan 21 2008, 05:05 AM (1,008 Views)
RTW
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Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 05:39 PM
Maybe it is media spin, but it does seem to me that the awards that have been heaped on the man - especially the Nobel Prize - indicate that he is respected.

I would add that he recieved the prize in 2007 so stating that the respect for him peaked in 2000 seems out of date by about 7 years.

:rotfl:

Gore's Nobel Prize puts him right up there with Yassar Arafat. Still light years behind Jimmy Carter, who is so respected that the best, and worst, thing anyone says about him is that he's the best ex-President we've ever had.

Poor Michael Moore. He's made several mockumentaries, most as outlandish and discredited as Gore's, and still no Nobel Prize for him. :cry:
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Jan 21 2008, 09:02 PM
Minuet
Jan 22 2008, 12:39 AM
Maybe it is media spin, but it does seem to me that the awards that have been heaped on the man - especially the Nobel Prize - indicate that he is respected.

I would add that he recieved the prize in 2007 so stating that the respect for him peaked in 2000 seems out of date by about 7 years.

I will go out on a limb here and say that Al Gore getting the Nobel Prize had far more to do with Kerry losing the 2004 election than it had to do with anything Al Gore actually did. Had Kerry won and was the US president in 2007 instead of Bush, I personally doubt Gore would have been nominated.

Well I cannot say that I have my pulse on the views of the average American, but I do see the kind of respect that Al Gore receives here in Canada and through the media I see what appears to be the world view.

Consider the possiblity that you are taking your own personal lack of respect for the man and attributing it to others. Personally I don't feel strongly one way or the other about him, but my experience is that I hear far more people say good things about him then bad. The man does have the power of popular opinion behind him even though he has some detractors.
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RTW
Jan 21 2008, 09:11 PM
Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 05:35 PM
So thanks for proving my point.

You have a point ... other than the sharp end of your cap? ;)

Anyhoo, I think you've lowered the bar for confused people everywhere. :shrug:

Moderators take note

Consider this a formal request to ask RTW to leave the personal crap out of this. I am tired of being insulted at every turn just for disagreeing with him.

It's amazing how every time I try to have a reasonable discussion with him it turns into this sh*t. I am sick and tired of it and I request that it be stopped in it's tracks.
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My fantasy Republican ticket would be McCain/Colin Powell, or even McCain/ Condi.

I could even go for McCain/Romney, I think Mitt's kind of a sincere guy.

My fantasy Dem ticket would be..... oh, there isn't one. OK, how about Arnold Shwarzeneggar (just amend the consitution) with Joe Lieberman as veep.

As for Al Gore, Huckabee and especially Edwards, I wish they would just go away. Quietly.


I liked some of the more obscure Dem candidates but none of the front-runners.

Actually the Independant Party may run Franko/Fesarius. At least we know the inaugaration music will be good. Of course, Gomec will be Secretary of Defense, just to make sure that the rest of the planet behaves themselves.


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Minuet
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RTW
Jan 21 2008, 09:18 PM
Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 05:39 PM
Maybe it is media spin, but it does seem to me that the awards that have been heaped on the man - especially the Nobel Prize - indicate that he is respected.

I would add that he recieved the prize in 2007 so stating that the respect for him peaked in 2000 seems out of date by about 7 years.

:rotfl:

Gore's Nobel Prize puts him right up there with Yassar Arafat. Still light years behind Jimmy Carter, who is so respected that the best, and worst, thing anyone says about him is that he's the best ex-President we've ever had.

Poor Michael Moore. He's made several mockumentaries, most as outlandish and discredited as Gore's, and still no Nobel Prize for him. :cry:

Laugh all you want, but at the time that he got his prize Arafat was well respected. It's a shame that he squandered the opportunity and ended up sick and isolated.

As for Carter - I myself don't have much respect for the man, except for his involvement in Habitat for Humanity which is a worthwhile cause. But I cannot deny that he is well respected by many people. You see the type of respect I am talking about cannot be measured by a single person's opinion. It is measured by the opinion of the general population. You don't have to agree with the majority, but you shouldn't deny they exist.
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Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
Laugh all you want, but at the time that he got his prize Arafat was well respected.
People actually believed he was for peace? Based on what? Seems that there IS one born every minute and several of them were on the Nobel committee at the time. :shrug:


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
As for Carter - I myself don't have much respect for the man, except for his involvement in Habitat for Humanity which is a worthwhile cause.
Your feelings are in the majority, and unless there are a lot of Carter fans out there keeping quiet, that majority is fairly overwhelming.


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
But I cannot deny that he is well respected by many people.
Yes, ex-President Carter is well respected for his charitable work.


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
You see the type of respect I am talking about cannot be measured by a single person's opinion.
:blah: :blah: :blah:


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
It is measured by the opinion of the general population. You don't have to agree with the majority, but you shouldn't deny they exist.
Correct, you don't. ;) Again, unless there are millions of silent Carter supporters, the majority of the US population seems to believe that he is an honorable man who was both an embarrassment and failure as President.
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RTW
Jan 21 2008, 10:15 PM
Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
Laugh all you want, but at the time that he got his prize Arafat was well respected.
People actually believed he was for peace? Based on what? Seems that there IS one born every minute and several of them were on the Nobel committee at the time. :shrug:


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
As for Carter - I myself don't have much respect for the man, except for his involvement in Habitat for Humanity which is a worthwhile cause.
Your feelings are in the majority, and unless there are a lot of Carter fans out there keeping quiet, that majority is fairly overwhelming.


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
But I cannot deny that he is well respected by many people.
Yes, ex-President Carter is well respected for his charitable work.


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
You see the type of respect I am talking about cannot be measured by a single person's opinion.
:blah: :blah: :blah:


Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:26 PM
It is measured by the opinion of the general population. You don't have to agree with the majority, but you shouldn't deny they exist.
Correct, you don't. ;) Again, unless there are millions of silent Carter supporters, the majority of the US population seems to believe that he is an honorable man who was both an embarrassment and failure as President.

Are you trying to say something here?

Honestly, all you seem to want to do is argue with me. You certainly don't seem to want to actually discuss anything, nor do you back up your comments with anything factual.
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Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:21 PM
It's amazing how every time I try to have a reasonable discussion with him it turns into this sh*t.



Minuet
 
Honestly, all you seem to want to do is argue with me.
I thought I was agreeing with you. :wave2:


Minuet
 
certainly don't seem to want to actually discuss anything...
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Minuet
 
... nor do you back up your comments with anything factual.
:rotfl:
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It's funny too because Al actually won the popular vote the last time he ran for President. He probably has a decent shot.
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Yeah, but he didn't take his home state of Tennesee. When the folks who know you best don't vote for you .... :shrug:

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Jan 22 2008, 10:24 AM
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Yeah, but he didn't take his home state of Tennesee. When the folks who know you best don't vote for you .... :shrug:

I dont understand this thing about winning your "home" state. Yes having local connections might make a difference in a close race but if you are running against the wind so to speak then you wouldnt expect to win.

For example where I come from is one of the strongest Conservative areas of the the UK. It wouldnt matter how strong your local connections, unless you were standing for the Conservative party you wouldnt be likely to win.
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Jan 22 2008, 10:40 AM
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Jan 22 2008, 10:24 AM
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Yeah, but he didn't take his home state of Tennesee.  When the folks who know you best don't vote for you ....  :shrug:

I dont understand this thing about winning your "home" state. Yes having local connections might make a difference in a close race but if you are running against the wind so to speak then you wouldnt expect to win.

For example where I come from is one of the strongest Conservative areas of the the UK. It wouldnt matter how strong your local connections, unless you were standing for the Conservative party you wouldnt be likely to win.

Maybe it's a "US" thing .... :lol:

When I was a kid - and the conventions still meant something more than simply rubberstamping the nominee - some states would put forth their "favorite son" candidate. It was usually the governor or senator (like Gore was) from that state.

The assumption was that the person could at least win THAT state.

Probably, the real reason for doing so was as a bargaining chip - if the guy was picked as VP it told the Presidential candidate that he could pick up at least one state for the ticket.

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In the USA, the states elect the President. That is why it is important to carry a state. The more populous the state, the more electoral votes it brings.
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RTW
Jan 22 2008, 01:32 AM
^^^ "Do as I say and not as I do."

Minuet
Jan 21 2008, 07:21 PM
It's amazing how every time I try to have a reasonable discussion with him it turns into this sh*t.



Minuet
 
Honestly, all you seem to want to do is argue with me.
I thought I was agreeing with you. :wave2:


Minuet
 
certainly don't seem to want to actually discuss anything...
:shrug:


Minuet
 
... nor do you back up your comments with anything factual.
:rotfl:
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Wow, i just read the entire RTW-Minuet exchange to see if there was anything to it. Two things:
1) that's 5 minutes that I'll never get back.
2) you two should stop talking to each other.
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