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ACLU: Sex in Restroom Stalls Is Private
Topic Started: Jan 16 2008, 11:42 AM (1,086 Views)
HistoryDude
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Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:06 AM

So then why do you grant privacy for potty? what makes potty special and crying not special? They might hear you potty, they might smell it. What’s the difference?

Putting all nit-picking aside and using common sense, because that is what the bathroom is made for, as I already said. If you're in a stall, you can expect some privacy. Though if you're a man using a urinal, that is questionable, even (especially the troughs at sports stadiums!). If you're having sex in a public bathroom, that is illegal, you cannot expect privacy, and you should not be surprised if some one turns you in if you are so engaged. Crying is not illegal and, though others will hear you, you will not be turned in, nor get in trouble for engaging in such. As for the sounds and smell of nature's call, well that's a hazard we all must expect when venturing into any bathroom.
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Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:07 AM
Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 10:29 AM
I've heard people cry in bathrooms.

It's not completely private.

Public bathrooms can provide privacy from sights, but not from sounds.

So as long as no sounds are made, people can have sex in a stall and expect privecy?

There are just some things that you can't do without making a sound... ;)
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HistoryDude
Jan 17 2008, 11:25 AM
Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:07 AM
Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 10:29 AM
I've heard people cry in bathrooms.

It's not completely private.

Public bathrooms can provide privacy from sights, but not from sounds.

So as long as no sounds are made, people can have sex in a stall and expect privecy?

There are just some things that you can't do without making a sound... ;)

I agree Historydude :lol:
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Dandandat
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HistoryDude
Jan 17 2008, 11:24 AM
Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:06 AM

So then why do you grant privacy for potty? what makes potty special and crying not special? They might hear you potty, they might smell it. What’s the difference?

Putting all nit-picking aside and using common sense, because that is what the bathroom is made for, as I already said. If you're in a stall, you can expect some privacy. Though if you're a man using a urinal, that is questionable, even (especially the troughs at sports stadiums!). If you're having sex in a public bathroom, that is illegal, you cannot expect privacy, and you should not be surprised if some one turns you in if you are so engaged. Crying is not illegal and, though others will hear you, you will not be turned in, nor get in trouble for engaging in such. As for the sounds and smell of nature's call, well that's a hazard we all must expect when venturing into any bathroom.

I would like to use logic rather then common sense. Common sense is subjective and changes from person to person.

Where does it say that the bath room is made for just potty?


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If you're in a stall, you can expect some privacy.
and wont that privacy need to be broken in order to know that people are using the stall for only what you deem appropriate?
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Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 11:34 AM
HistoryDude
Jan 17 2008, 11:25 AM
Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:07 AM
Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 10:29 AM
I've heard people cry in bathrooms.

It's not completely private.

Public bathrooms can provide privacy from sights, but not from sounds.

So as long as no sounds are made, people can have sex in a stall and expect privecy?

There are just some things that you can't do without making a sound... ;)

I agree Historydude :lol:

I wouldn't. Sex can be had in silence.
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The authorities have another word for it when you put your hand over your partner's mouth. ;)
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Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 12:00 PM
Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 11:34 AM
HistoryDude
Jan 17 2008, 11:25 AM
Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:07 AM
Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 10:29 AM
I've heard people cry in bathrooms.

It's not completely private.

Public bathrooms can provide privacy from sights, but not from sounds.

So as long as no sounds are made, people can have sex in a stall and expect privecy?

There are just some things that you can't do without making a sound... ;)

I agree Historydude :lol:

I wouldn't. Sex can be had in silence.

Not any sex worth having. :lol:
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Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:58 AM

I would like to use logic rather then common sense. Common sense is subjective and changes from person to person.

So is and can logic...

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Where does it say that the bath room is made for just potty?


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bath·room (bāth'rōōm', -rŏŏm', bäth'-) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. A room containing a bathtub or shower, and usually a sink and toilet.
2. A room containing a sink and toilet.


But, using logic, what would you say logically a room full of toilets is suppose to be used for?

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and wont that privacy need to be broken in order to know that people are using the stall for only what you deem appropriate?


I don't recall saying you have complete privacy. You can expect not to be barged in upon while using the toilet in a stall. The ACLU says a "reasonable expectation of privacy." I agree with them that you have that when using the bathroom for its intended purpose. Obviously others will know you are in there whether you are talking on the phone, having sex, or pooping. If you are talking on the phone, there is nothing they can do about it, really. If you are pooping, well that is what the facility is provided for. If you are having sex or propositioning a stranger for it, you could be reported because it is illegal. It is not what I deem appropriate - it is the law. I didn't make the law, though I do happen to agree with it.
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Just to add logically to Historydude's comments. The stalls in a bathroom contain toilets. Therefore logically when one uses a stall they are expected to use the toilet. What is a toilet?

from dictionary.col

1. a bathroom fixture consisting of a bowl, usually with a detachable, hinged seat and lid, and a device for flushing with water, used for defecation and urination.
2. a lavatory.
3. a bathroom.

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I don't see sex listed as a use for a toilet. Therefore I do not logically expect someone using a stall to be engaged in sex.
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HistoryDude
Jan 17 2008, 12:43 PM
Dandandat
Jan 17 2008, 10:58 AM

I would like to use logic rather then common sense. Common sense is subjective and changes from person to person.

So is and can logic...

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Where does it say that the bath room is made for just potty?


American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
bath·room (bâth'rôôm', -rŏŏm', bäth'-) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. A room containing a bathtub or shower, and usually a sink and toilet.
2. A room containing a sink and toilet.


But, using logic, what would you say logically a room full of toilets is suppose to be used for?

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and wont that privacy need to be broken in order to know that people are using the stall for only what you deem appropriate?


I don't recall saying you have complete privacy. You can expect not to be barged in upon while using the toilet in a stall. The ACLU says a "reasonable expectation of privacy." I agree with them that you have that when using the bathroom for its intended purpose. Obviously others will know you are in there whether you are talking on the phone, having sex, or pooping. If you are talking on the phone, there is nothing they can do about it, really. If you are pooping, well that is what the facility is provided for. If you are having sex or propositioning a stranger for it, you could be reported because it is illegal. It is not what I deem appropriate - it is the law. I didn't make the law, though I do happen to agree with it.

I really don’t inkstand your argument. You seem to be making the argument that privacy is only contingent on the act you are doing in privet. That would seem illogical. For one to be certain of what you are doing they must brake your privacy. Otherwise it is mere speculation.
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Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 01:02 PM
I don't see sex listed as a use for a toilet. Therefore I do not logically expect someone using a stall to be engaged in sex.

You would have to prove that the only function of a stall is to use the toilet in order to follow your logic. I have given a reasonable action that someone would use a stall for with out utilizing the toilet. The fact that a toilet is in a stall does not logically mean that the only reason the stall exist is to use the toilet. What it logically implies is that one of the functions of the stall includes the use of a toilet, because a toilet exists in the stall.


Not to mention the fact that there are a variety of sexual acts that can indeed utilize a toilet.

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I don't know how big the stalls are in the men's room. But in the ladies the toilet takes up the vast majority of the space. There isn't any room to do anything but actually use the toilet.

Try taking a child in (you may not have done this if you only have girls). An adult and a child barely fit most times. Two adults definitely don't fit in a stall so logically an activity requiring two adults is not expected to be performed in a stall.
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Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 01:15 PM
I don't know how big the stalls are in the men's room. But in the ladies the toilet takes up the vast majority of the space. There isn't any room to do anything but actually use the toilet. .

Try taking a child in (you may not have done this if you only have girls). An adult and a child barely fit most times. Two adults definitely don't fit in a stall so logically an activity requiring two adults is not expected to be performed in a stall.

There is plenty of room to cry with out the fear of prying eyes. There is room to have sex it would seem. There is room to change into you gym cloths. Room to change the bandage on that nasty rear end wound you may have

If people are having sex in these stalls to the point where law enforcement needs to crack down on it, It would stand to reason that two adults can most certainly fit in them.


And anecdotally I have been in many a bathroom stall. There may not be room to the sides sometimes, but there is defiantly room in the front to back direction. Enough got two adults to stand.
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Anecdotes are not logical. They are emotional. ;)
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Minuet
Jan 17 2008, 01:22 PM
Anecdotes are not logical. They are emotional. ;)

That’s why I provided the proceeding paragraphs first.
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