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| Times Online piece on working mothers; mothers mistreated when back at work. | |
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| Data's Cat's Sister | Jan 13 2008, 11:47 AM Post #1 |
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Link I'm appauled that this sort of thing is still going on! |
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| STC | Jan 13 2008, 12:55 PM Post #2 |
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That's horrific. But still all too commonplace :(. I've seen a few cases first hand where women who have become pregnant have not been well-treated. Nothing quite as indiscreet as that, more the kind of treatment that involves subtly making their return to work after having their child difficult. Also see practices that just make the general situation for working parents more difficult. Recently, the school I work at moved from a 5 day/weekly timetable to a 10 day/two week timetable. An issue with this is that for part-time staff, the timetable is structured in a way that you can't guarantee your part-timers will have the same days off each week - making child-care arrangements more difficult. I raised this at HoD's (Heads of Department) meeting once, but senior management team didn't consider it an important priority. :rolleyes: |
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| Dandandat | Jan 13 2008, 06:14 PM Post #3 |
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There is of course no excuse for harassment and in kind bad behavior because a carrier woman becomes pregnant. If such can be proven I would hope these woman get all they deserve. But the three paragraphs above give me pause; Tofeji claims she has blamed her child for the loss of her independence, and in some ways she is saying the company she has worked for is to blame for making her feel this way. But I simply don’t buy it and further I find the mentality of this woman immature. Like it or not having children (and being a good parent) requires the loss of independence. Dam strait you loss your independence when you have children because from that point on their needs are way more important then anything you might have other wise wanted, including a carrier as you wanted it. This is a big responsibility one must decided to accept before they even consider having children, and once they do it is a decision they must live up to. Now that said, there are some jobs in this world that just do not peacefully coexist with family life, (harassment aside of cores) this is not the fault of the employer any more then it is the fault of the employee, it’s just a said fact (for some). And it is not just a fact that woman have to deal with, many men have to deal with it as well. Fathers who put their families first are often hurt come promotion time if they have one of these jobs. Once again harassment is always uncalled for and should be prosecuted; however family people can’t have their cake and eat it to. |
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| Dandandat | Jan 13 2008, 06:24 PM Post #4 |
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Why should management consider it an important priority? What stake do they have in the rearing of their employees children. Do they get other benefits that come along with the rearing of their employees children? If not why does this one responsibly fall to them as well? My personal feeling is that employers should care about the family lives of their employees. But I can’t make a logical argument as to why. It’s a matter of emotion and ethics, an employer ought to be more ethical when it concerns the employees family for their own good, but I see no reason why they should be obligated too. What about those who chose not to have a family, or can not have a family? If you create a work environment that caters to the family (wo)man you are inadvertently penalizing these people for not having a family. |
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| RTW | Jan 13 2008, 06:56 PM Post #5 |
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I was hoping someone would bring some balance and logic to this thread and allow me to avoid yet another voiding match. Thanks Dan! |
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| Franko | Jan 14 2008, 03:03 AM Post #6 |
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I certainly don't like the employer's attitude here based on what is in the article; but having said all that I'd have to learn more about the situation before I could truly pass some kind of moral judgement. It of course would be unforgiveable to treat a pregnant employee this way in many kinds of jobs, especially where an employer can make adjustments. However, if an employer depends upon an employee as a key element in their operation, hires them on the understanding that "X" amount of time and "X" amount of commitment will be given by them, then there is a problem all of the sudden when that employee cannot fulfill these previous commitments. In such a case, the employer should have drawn up an employment contract, which would obligate an employee to certain conditions, or said employee would have to suffer the consequences if they were not able to sustain the agreed upon commitment. I would of course apply this to either a man or woman who suddenly could not fulfill the agreed upon conditions of their employment situation; pregnancy, injury, illness, and so on can occur which makes it difficult to fulfill certain obligations. However, if these terms are not enshrined by contract or in some official manner, then a woman in this position has an excellent legal case to make, especially in Canadian Law. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 23 2008, 08:45 AM Post #7 |
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People are already penalized for not having a family. The marriage tax is a good example, the child tax credit is another. |
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| Dandandat | Jan 23 2008, 08:52 AM Post #8 |
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School tax is quite a big one |
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