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How to feel safe on a US plane
Topic Started: Jan 10 2008, 02:52 PM (596 Views)
whitestar
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It sounds to me like it is Australians who are paranoid.
Min, you disappoint me.
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whitestar
Jan 12 2008, 12:40 AM
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It sounds to me like it is Australians who are paranoid.
Min, you disappoint me.

I may have stated that badly.

He made the statement that Americans were paranoid based on his impression of Australian Bureaucrats. I know this for a fact because he has stated many times that he has never been to the US and he never intends to visit ever.

I was just trying to show that HE was the one calling Australians paranoid. I did not intend to make that statement myself.
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If that is intended as an apology Min then OK but a poor one, I do not agree with Somerled's critizism of Americans but I do believe he was alluding to post 9/11 paranoia in regard to air travel and protection of borders.. not so much of American bureaucrats in particular
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I do believe he was alluding to post 9/11 paranoia in regard to air travel and protection of borders.. not so much of American bureaucrats in particular


I gave up giving Somerled the benefit of the doubt long ago. He doesn't deserve it.
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Dr. Noah
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It is really getting out of hand. This article is a great example, last time I came back to visit Everything was looked through even the pictures on my camera. They gave me the third degree about why I live in Taiwan, why I visited Thailand, why I am visiting America now. It was a bit disconcerting, and I'm glad the trip back was far more cordial.
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Jan 12 2008, 04:10 PM
If that is intended as an apology Min then OK but a poor one, I do not agree with Somerled's critizism of Americans but I do believe he was alluding to post 9/11 paranoia in regard to air travel and protection of borders.. not so much of American bureaucrats in particular

Yes = I was alluding to the post 9-11 stupidity and mass hysteria and paranoia exhibited by the USA.

Maybe I was bit too subtile for minuet, again. :rolleyes:

I'll be more direct in my criticisms in future.
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Jan 12 2008, 04:14 PM
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I do believe he was alluding to post 9/11 paranoia in regard to air travel and protection of borders.. not so much of American bureaucrats in particular


I gave up giving Somerled the benefit of the doubt long ago. He doesn't deserve it.

When did you ever give me anything remotely resembling a benefit of the doubt .... ?

I don't recall it.

By the way .... feeling is mutual.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 23 2008, 08:29 AM
It is really getting out of hand. This article is a great example, last time I came back to visit Everything was looked through even the pictures on my camera. They gave me the third degree about why I live in Taiwan, why I visited Thailand, why I am visiting America now. It was a bit disconcerting, and I'm glad the trip back was far more cordial.

Last time I came back from a Ecuador, the process was uneventful. Funny how things are. :chin:

In fact it was harder to get into Ecuador then it was to come home. For some reason they always think I am Spanish traveling with a fake Passport. It’s a wide spread belief in many foreign countries that all Americans have Blond Hair and Blue Eyes, they don’t believe you are American when you don’t have these characteristics.


Also you do release that customs has been asking those kinds of questions long before 9/11. Where did you come from? Why are you coming back? Do you have any food products? All quite the norm since I have been flying.
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Dr. Noah
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Never happened to me before. I went to China just before 9/11 and didn't get the third degree. And China is a communist nation! :lol:

Last time I came back from Mexico they simply asked if I was an American citizen and waved me through.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Things have changed. You need a passport to get back from Mexico (and to Mexico). Second, there are instances that islamofascist groups are using Mexican "coyotes" to smuggle terrorists across the border.


As for Somerled's comments about "post 9-11 stupidity", denial ain't just a river in Egypt. What would you have us do, surrender? What a typical baiting comment.
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Dr. Noah
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Do you need a passport to go to Canada now too?

I guess that will get more than 10% of Americans to get a passport now then.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 23 2008, 08:59 AM
Never happened to me before.  I went to China just before 9/11 and didn't get the third degree.  And China is a communist nation!  :lol: 

Last time I came back from Mexico they simply asked if I was an American citizen and waved me through.

Then you have been lucky. Coming back from Australia once many many years ago it took us a half hour to get through customs because they where being particularly thorough.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 23 2008, 08:29 AM
It is really getting out of hand.  This article is a great example, last time I came back to visit Everything was looked through even the pictures on my camera.  They gave me the third degree about why I live in Taiwan, why I  visited Thailand, why I am visiting America now.  It was a bit disconcerting, and I'm glad the trip back was far more cordial.

You aren't alone in thinking this way, and I don't mean anything personal toward you, but this type of thinking is in part why some people in the international communities consider Americans to be snobs. Why is it that so many of us aren't willing to put up with even small inconveniences?

Personally, when the alternative is to possibly be blown up in a plane or for a terrorist to successful smuggle dangerous materials into the country, I don't consider this an inconvenience at all.
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I flew to Canada and back last March. I got the third, fourth, and fifth degree from 3 different customs agents coming into Toronto. Coming back into the USA, they ust asked me if I had any food and said welcome home.

I also went to Europe last April and the guy in Spain basically stamped my passport and said next. The guy in Italy did the same thing. Coming back to the USA is was the food question and welcome home again.

I have drawn the unlucky card in security before as well. They wanted to examine my shoes, go through my carry-ons, and ask me a lot of questions.

So what? Perhaps you'd be happier with the mossad crawling up your butt when you go to Israel.
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Dr. Noah
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I will probably never go to Israel or anywhere in the Middle East for that matter. I never said I wasn't willing to put up with it, obviously I did. I answered all their questions without hesitation, actually the security and I had a fairly nice conversation. I don't understand why it is necessary to look through all the pictures in my camera however and through all my calligraphy paintings.
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