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The Substance of Barack Obama; What does he stand for?
Topic Started: Jan 6 2008, 12:49 AM (1,246 Views)
RTW
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Jan 27 2008, 04:03 PM
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Provide a Living Wage: Barack Obama believes that people who work full time should not live in poverty. Before the Democrats took back Congress, the minimum wage had not changed in 10 years. Even though the minimum wage will rise to $7.25 an hour by 2009, the minimum wage's real purchasing power will still be below what it was in 1968. As president, Obama would further raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing -- things so many people take for granted.[/URL]
I wonder if he will also do this for all pay groups? Where I live and what I am paid I just come under making ends meet while I raise my family. If Barack increases the minimum wage, which is an inflationary pressure, and ties it to inflation how does he plan to combat increases in living expenses?

A quick example. Minimum wage is now $7.25 and we can all assume there are people who now work for $7.60 (an increase of inflation). So now all the people making $7.25 just got bumped to $7.60 and all the people already making $7.60 just saw a negative pressure on their income and a negative on their reward for working hard enough to see an increase in statues from minimum wage.

How does Barack plan to compensate these people? Its nice to say “I’ll increase minimum wage” but the process of actually doing so is not striate forward. He does not explain this on his webpage. To many of the candidates do not provide enough information

Com'on Dan - quit raining on the feel good message.

What percentage of workers make minimum wage for more than the first 3-6 months they're on the job?

Anyhoo, I think these candidates are slacking. If I was President we wouldn't need the minimum wage because I'd create not just jobs, but careers for everyone. Then I'd erase inflation, pay of the debt, negotiate world peace, have health care for everyone, feed the world, balance the budget and cure AIDS and cancer. Then on the second day of my administration....

I'd wouldn't be the candidate of change, I'd be the candidate of fixing things! :yes:

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I think that it's interesting to note that in this day and age, most voters are going to go by the ten second image/sound/video byte perception of a candidate rather than read up and study what they're policies are.

Myself, I'm baffled by anyone who would go for Edwards or Huckabee. The more I read up on those two, the more I got turned off. In fact, my research has taken me to strange notions.

I now want McCain with Romney as VP and Obama as Secretary of State.

Now THAT solves a few problems in the American political psyche......
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Wichita
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Franko
Jan 28 2008, 03:12 AM
I now want McCain with Romney as VP and Obama as Secretary of State.

Now THAT solves a few problems in the American political psyche......

You know .... that is one of the better choices I have heard lately.

I really am reluctant to vote for McCain until I hear who his VP will be. Let's fact it .... the man is already 72.

Now that I am getting older, I really have begun to wonder if President of the United States is a job for a man/woman that old. I wake up will all manner of strange pains on occasions. A co-worker of mine died abruptly a couple weeks ago at 59 with a previously undiagnozed anearysm (spelling?). Neither of us were tortured for years by the North Vietnamese and have lingering health problems as a result. Plus McCain has 20 years on me.

His dying of natural causes in the next 4 years is not beyond consideration. So his VP selection will be a BIG FACTOR in whether or not he gets my vote over even a Democratic challenger. I won't have that information in the primary to use in my decision.

I could live with Romney as his VP.

As to Obama as Secretary of State .... I suspect that, if he was Secretary of State, he would soon reverse some of his current positions on various countries. It might be the on-the-job training he needs. :D

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Admiralbill_gomec
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I had similar thoughts on Friday while recovering (I had minor knee surgery on Thursday).

McCain is 72, has been treated for skin cancer, has undergone physical and mental torture diuring his captivity in Vietnam. How long will it be before some complication rears up.

A good choice for his VP would be Fred Thompson... and a little caffeine. Romney wouldn't be bad either.

My big problems with McCain are his voting record on illegal immigration AND the disastrous McCain-Feingold bill.



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Jan 28 2008, 09:29 AM
My big problems with McCain are his voting record on illegal immigration AND the disastrous McCain-Feingold bill.

Agreed. The Hawkish war hero makes a great choice until look into his voting record. One rumor had him choosing Leiberman as a VP, which wouldn't be bad unless you're a one issue voter and abortion or gun control is that issue.
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Jan 28 2008, 11:54 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2008, 09:29 AM
My big problems with McCain are his voting record on illegal immigration AND the disastrous McCain-Feingold bill.

Agreed. The Hawkish war hero makes a great choice until look into his voting record. One rumor had him choosing Leiberman as a VP, which would be bad unless gun control and abortion are important to you.

As compared to what?

Both abortion and gun control aren't an issue of importance’s to me at the moment, kind of like Gay rights. I have an opinion on all of them, but they aren’t issues that keep me up at night.
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Jan 28 2008, 12:36 PM
RTW
Jan 28 2008, 11:54 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2008, 09:29 AM
My big problems with McCain are his voting record on illegal immigration AND the disastrous McCain-Feingold bill.

Agreed. The Hawkish war hero makes a great choice until look into his voting record. One rumor had him choosing Leiberman as a VP, which would be bad unless gun control and abortion are important to you.

As compared to what?

Both abortion and gun control aren't an issue of importance’s to me at the moment, kind of like Gay rights. I have an opinion on all of them, but they aren’t issues that keep me up at night.

Gun control is a big issue with me, being the owner of several. To me, "gun control" is hitting what you shoot at the first time. Of course this is one of the things that makes different candidates attractive to different people.
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With California coming soon, Obama has now all of the sudden become in favor of drivers licenses for illegals in an attempt to get the hispanic vote in Cali.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...L&type=politics

Good thing illegals can't vote, huh? :huh:

Oh, and he also vows not to make race part of this campaign, so we don't have to worry about him uh, targeting, um, special ethnic or racial groups, er, because, nevermind.
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Why not make minimum wage $100,000.00/hour? Then we'd all be rich. :)
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Jan 28 2008, 11:02 AM
Good thing illegals can't vote, huh? :huh:

For the sake of accuracy, shouldn't that say, "Good thing illegals aren't supposed to vote, huh?"

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ds9074
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From the coverage that has flitered through over here I would favour Obama over Hillary.
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bonja
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It scares me a bit to think a Chicago Democrat might get into the Presidency.

It's bad enough when it's confined to Cook County.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2008, 01:01 PM
Dandandat
Jan 28 2008, 12:36 PM
RTW
Jan 28 2008, 11:54 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2008, 09:29 AM
My big problems with McCain are his voting record on illegal immigration AND the disastrous McCain-Feingold bill.

Agreed. The Hawkish war hero makes a great choice until look into his voting record. One rumor had him choosing Leiberman as a VP, which would be bad unless gun control and abortion are important to you.

As compared to what?

Both abortion and gun control aren't an issue of importance’s to me at the moment, kind of like Gay rights. I have an opinion on all of them, but they aren’t issues that keep me up at night.

Gun control is a big issue with me, being the owner of several. To me, "gun control" is hitting what you shoot at the first time. Of course this is one of the things that makes different candidates attractive to different people.

their stance on gun Control is the most important thing to me,a dn what I look into first off the bat.

but yes gun control is hitting your target.
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The moderators can do the moderating.
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Jan 28 2008, 08:26 PM
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Okay!

An Obama Fable--It's All About the Mood, Dude
By Ralph Nader

The Obamarama Campaign Express was roaring down a New Hampshire highway near Nashua when an aide spotted the sprawling No Holds Barred Sports Bar. “Let’s stop the bus,” she urged, “and do some random schmoozing.”

Obama and his entourage poured out of the bus and headed for the front door, over which hung a large sign: “HOME OF THE POLI-BEER: WHERE BOOZE, POLITICS AND SPORTS MIX IT UP!”

Inside the packed bar, the guys and gals were gathering for the Big Game to start. Before the game, however, there was an hour for political talk time. Their eyes widened in amazement when they saw Barack, bounding through the doorway with his secret service detail.

The bar had a big pit, with a huge crackling fireplace, where the patrons have their regular give and take. Obama was ready for some of that.

He started: “I stand for change. They said we set our sights too high in Iowa. They said now is not the time. I proved the cynics wrong in corn country and I’ll prove them wrong in the granite state. To show you I mean it, no speech, go at me. Our time for change has come.”

Guy number one—“Ok, Barack, you’re going for the power in the Big House, the big companies already have the power, how ya gonna make us little people powerful?”

Obama—“Stay tuned. One leap at a time. We are one people. Get me there first.”

Gal number one—“You say, CHANGE, well how are you going to cut the bloated military budget full of vast waste, fraud and abuse, when you’ve specifically said you’ll ‘expand and modernize the military?’ Why, it’s already half or more of the government’s operating budget, squeezing programs for children, health and all that. I’m an accountant and I know numbers.”

Obama—“Exactly. Our time for change has come. I’m going to change the old weapons with new weapons and the old soldiers with the new soldiers. That’s real change—at the grass roots.”

Guy number two—“You don’t seem to have any rough edges, Barack.”

Obama—“It’s all about the mood, dude.”

The crowd was getting agitated and the questions came faster and faster.

“Why are you for nuclear power with taxpayer guarantees?”

“Will you oppose Congress getting pay raises, pensions and health insurance until the American people get the same?”

“Do you favor repealing the anti-union nightmare—the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947?”

“How can you talk about change and take gobs of campaign money from the big corporate lawyers and bosses?”

Obama, smiling: “It’s ALL about the mood, dudes. All the rest are details you can look up on my website—obama_is_us.org. We are choosing hope over fear.”

Gal number two—“Ok, answer this one that probably isn’t on your website. When are you going to meet with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and campaign in the black ghettos—say Harlem or Watts?”

Obama—“Whoaa, give that tough lady a Poli-beer on me! We are one nation.”

Guy number three (with an Obama face mask)—“I’m the old Obama, remember me? I was for single-payer, full medicare for everyone. I was strongly for Palestinian rights and for replacing NAFTA and WTO, not for tweaking them. I was for taxing the super-rich and defending class actions. I was for capping credit-card and loan shark interest rates. What happened to me?”

Obama—“Well, didn’t I tell you that I stand for CHANGE?”

Gal number three—“You seem to be for everyone, but not everyone is for everyone. Some are against everyone. Tell me, are the big corporations, the greedy defense contractors, drug, oil and insurance companies, starting to quake in their boots at the thought that you are now the front-runner?”

Obama, lifting his chin—“Well, Ma’am, we haven’t ordered our seismometer yet.”

Oooohs and boos float around the pit. A few start drifting away.

Guy number four—“You’re one of those smart Haavard lawyers, Barack. You were a constitutional law teacher. You were against the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. So, why aren’t you putting two and two together—impeachment of the war criminals in the White House followed by conviction in the Senate?”

Obama—“You don’t understand (testily), impeachment talk is just more of the same old Washington politics. I stand for change. No need to point fingers. We are one people.”

Gal number four—“Hello, Barack. I’m Hermaphrodite and I luv your blended politics of harmony.”

Obama—“Great! Then how about a quick dance around the bar before we have to leave,” he said, humming to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic—“We are choosing unity over division, we’re sending a powerful message, that change is a coming to America, it is all about the mood, dude…”

http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/1239-An-Obama-Fable-Its-All-About-the-Mood,-Dude.html
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