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Muslim man in Dallas kills daughters; for acting like Americans
Topic Started: Jan 4 2008, 11:56 AM (2,517 Views)
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http://washingtontimes.com/article/2008010.../904571540/1015

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Two Dallas-area teenage sisters were fatally shot this week, and police were hunting last night for their fugitive father, an Egyptian Muslim immigrant.



Police found Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, dead of gunshot wounds Tuesday night in a taxi in an Irving parking lot. The taxi was owned by their father, Yaser Abdel Said, whom authorities were seeking last night on a double capital-murder warrant.



According to the Dallas Morning News, police were looking into whether Mr. Said was upset with the dating activities and Western ways of the two teens. Both girls had MySpace.com pages with photos of them clowning around and dressed like typical American teens.



A friend of the dead girls told a Dallas TV station that Mr. Said was critical of popular American lifestyles.



Sarah "always told me that she was always so scared of her dad," Kathleen Wong told CBS affiliate KTVT. "At school if a teacher joked around like, 'I'm gonna tell your parents about this,' she would like totally flip out and start crying like, 'Please don"t tell.' "



If you don't like Americans, go back to the country that you left to come here. I hope this guy fries.
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Thats a whole lot of hate
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Gutt wrenching evil. :(
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Umm .... bit presumptive since the girls are dead , and no one has actually spoken with (interviewed) the suspect , their dad.

Kathleen Wong's claim is no more than hearsay and has not been proven to be factual at this stage.

Fathers kill their children for lots of reasons , including family breakups after separations or divorces , drug or drink induced violent acts , insanity and mental illness , revenge against their former wives or partners (if they have lost custody of or reasonable access to , their children) ,as well because their own abused backgrounds and sometimes because they think their children have sinned (not just muslims do this).
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he shows up dead , a murder suicide.

As to whether he should face capital punishment .... I know in Texas this is the possible penalty unless he is wealthy or well connected (to the house of Suid say). It is more likely if he isn't already dead or hasn't fled the country , he'll be killed while being apprehended I expect based on what I have heard of law enforcement in the USA and Texas in particular.

I wonder if this would be as newsworthy if the father were a catholic or methodist ? and if the man's religion would have even been made a key aspect of this tragic story ?? :news: Even if it would have found it's way here as a topic ???

So .... are there updates on this ?
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he'll be killed while being apprehended I expect based on what I have heard of law enforcement in the USA and Texas in particular.



You sure go a lot by rumours about "America and it's culture", don't you?

You have no more reason to be "gunned down" by cops in Texas any more than cops in British Columbia. (Trust me, in this day and age of metro drug gangs and so on, if you don't surrender to police anywhere you will be gunned down)

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I wonder if this would be as newsworthy if the father were a catholic or methodist ?


Yes, it would. In fact, maybe even more newsworthy. This story is newsworthy because it seems to reflect how terrible a situation can get when immigrants can't adjust to North American culture.

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somerled
Jan 4 2008, 08:22 PM
he'll be killed while being apprehended I expect based on what I have heard of law enforcement in the USA and Texas in particular.

:huh: :blink: :lol:
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somerled
Jan 4 2008, 09:22 PM
Umm .... bit presumptive since the girls are dead , and no one has actually spoken with (interviewed) the suspect , their dad.

Kathleen Wong's claim is no more than hearsay and has not been proven to be factual at this stage.

Fathers kill their children for lots of reasons , including family breakups after separations or divorces , drug or drink induced violent acts , insanity and mental illness , revenge against their former wives or partners (if they have lost custody of  or reasonable access to , their children) ,as well because their own abused backgrounds and sometimes because they think their children have sinned (not just muslims do this).
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he shows up dead , a murder suicide.

As to whether he should face capital punishment .... I know in Texas this is the possible penalty unless he is wealthy or well connected (to the house of Suid say). It is more likely if he isn't already dead or hasn't fled the country , he'll be killed while being apprehended I expect based on what I have heard of law enforcement in the USA and Texas in particular.

I wonder if this would be as newsworthy if the father were a catholic or methodist ? and if the man's religion would have even been made a key aspect of this tragic story ?? :news: Even if it would have found it's way here as a topic ???

So .... are there updates on this ?

So, let me point all this out - not because it'll do any good, but because it will amuse me.

You are warning us not to be presumptive about the man and judge him based on his religious beliefs, but then you say that he'll probably be killed based on what you've heard, which must be very little, about law enforcement here. So, a warning about prejudice followed by a prejudicial statement.

Besides, from what I've heard this guy is a corn flake religious nut, and that's all I need to know.
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I have to agree with Somerled about the presumption.

I don't read anything in the article that even establishes the father as unquestionably guilty of murder. And, even if he is, we don't know the reason. It is right to ask the question whether it was because they were acting like Americans. But, at this point, the answer to that question remains unknown as does his actual guilt in the murder. And there are many possible reasons why he may have killed his daughters.

Regardless, if he's guilty, it's a shame and disgusting that he did so for any reason.

It's also quite disgusting IMO that some people seem ready to jump all over this guy over a mere possibility - apparently simply because he's Muslim. Is "innocent until proven guilty" only good enough for some people...? :ermm:
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ImpulseEngine
Jan 4 2008, 09:34 PM

It's also quite disgusting IMO that some people seem ready to jump all over this guy over a mere possibility - apparently simply because he's Muslim. Is "innocent until proven guilty" only good enough for some people...? :ermm:

The girls were found dead in their fathers Taxi, the father is nowhere to be found


Do you really find it 'disgusting' that most of us would presume he's prime suspect? Most likely to be the perpertrator?
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Jan 4 2008, 07:41 PM
[You sure go a lot by rumours about "America and it's culture", don't you?

Wrestling crocs all day with nothing more than a huge knife has that effect.

What? "Crocodile Dundee" wasn't a documentary? Are you sure?
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somerled
Jan 5 2008, 02:22 AM
Umm .... bit presumptive since the girls are dead , and no one has actually spoken with (interviewed) the suspect , their dad.

Kathleen Wong's claim is no more than hearsay and has not been proven to be factual at this stage.

Fathers kill their children for lots of reasons , including family breakups after separations or divorces , drug or drink induced violent acts , insanity and mental illness , revenge against their former wives or partners (if they have lost custody of  or reasonable access to , their children) ,as well because their own abused backgrounds and sometimes because they think their children have sinned (not just muslims do this).
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he shows up dead , a murder suicide.

As to whether he should face capital punishment .... I know in Texas this is the possible penalty unless he is wealthy or well connected (to the house of Suid say). It is more likely if he isn't already dead or hasn't fled the country , he'll be killed while being apprehended I expect based on what I have heard of law enforcement in the USA and Texas in particular.

I wonder if this would be as newsworthy if the father were a catholic or methodist ? and if the man's religion would have even been made a key aspect of this tragic story ?? :news: Even if it would have found it's way here as a topic ???

So .... are there updates on this ?

Frankly...

"I am more interested in what our USA and Canadian members think , since it they are very close to the action and should have a better feel for it than us foreigners who have only the press and media to rely on".

Franko
 
Trust me, in this day and age of metro drug gangs and so on, if you don't surrender to police anywhere you will be gunned down

Unlikely in these parts as the police dont carry guns and these local forces arent generally as quick to call in the armed response teams as the Met.
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Jan 4 2008, 11:56 AM
http://washingtontimes.com/article/2008010.../904571540/1015

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Two Dallas-area teenage sisters were fatally shot this week, and police were hunting last night for their fugitive father, an Egyptian Muslim immigrant.



Police found Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, dead of gunshot wounds Tuesday night in a taxi in an Irving parking lot. The taxi was owned by their father, Yaser Abdel Said, whom authorities were seeking last night on a double capital-murder warrant.



According to the Dallas Morning News, police were looking into whether Mr. Said was upset with the dating activities and Western ways of the two teens. Both girls had MySpace.com pages with photos of them clowning around and dressed like typical American teens.



A friend of the dead girls told a Dallas TV station that Mr. Said was critical of popular American lifestyles.



Sarah "always told me that she was always so scared of her dad," Kathleen Wong told CBS affiliate KTVT. "At school if a teacher joked around like, 'I'm gonna tell your parents about this,' she would like totally flip out and start crying like, 'Please don"t tell.' "



If you don't like Americans, go back to the country that you left to come here. I hope this guy fries.

Another so-called "honor killing".

Religion of peace, my @$$.

You simply can NOT do this here. I hope this clown gets the chair (or in Texas' case, the table.)!

The only way this guy is killed when being apprehended is if he shoots at the cops.

My guess is he's hiding at one of the local extremist mosques that police don't dare visit for fear of being called anti-Muslim bigots.... :angry:
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Jan 4 2008, 11:07 PM
ImpulseEngine
Jan 4 2008, 09:34 PM

It's also quite disgusting IMO that some people seem ready to jump all over this guy over a mere possibility - apparently simply because he's Muslim.  Is "innocent until proven guilty" only good enough for some people...? :ermm:

The girls were found dead in their fathers Taxi, the father is nowhere to be found


Do you really find it 'disgusting' that most of us would presume he's prime suspect? Most likely to be the perpertrator?

Is that truly the only possibility that you see? How about someone else attacked the three of them in the father's taxi. He killed the daughters because they were simply in the way. He really wanted the father so now he has taken the father off somewhere for whatever purpose. That's why the father is missing. That's just one plausible alternative.

Or how about the father was framed for his daughters' deaths because someone wanted revenge on him for something we don't know about. That's another plausible alternative.

What I find disgusting is the presumption of guilt because he's a Muslim who possibly doesn't like Americans; not him being a suspect or even a primary suspect. I admit the situation looks highly suspicious, but that doesn't automatically make him guilty or anti-American.
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Jan 5 2008, 02:55 PM
Is that truly the only possibility that you see? How about someone else attacked the three of them in the father's taxi. He killed the daughters because they were simply in the way. He really wanted the father so now he has taken the father off somewhere for whatever purpose. That's why the father is missing. That's just one plausible alternative.

Or how about the father was framed for his daughters' deaths because someone wanted revenge on him for something we don't know about. That's another plausible alternative.

Good points.

We also can't rule out George Bush or alien abduction.

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Or something like post-9/11 stress syndrome.
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