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Obama and Huckabee win Iowa
Topic Started: Jan 4 2008, 02:49 AM (997 Views)
Franko
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Dr. Noah
Jan 5 2008, 07:38 AM
I for one am very excited about this. I never thought Obama would be doing so well. I read his book this summer and his overall message is that of hope and I think there needs to be a bit more of that around with all the apocalyptic preaching I've been hearing lately.
At first I thought that even though it's the 21st century him being a black man would stand in his way. Especially with commentators still banding about racist messages like calling him "the magic Negro" like Rush thought was so funny.
But people who wouldn't vote for him based on skin color are not likely to vote Democrat in the first place, so that probably won't hurt him at all.



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But people who wouldn't vote for him based on skin color are not likely to vote Democrat in the first place, so that probably won't hurt him at all.



Yet during President G.W. Bush's first term, Colin Powell and Dr. Rice were being applauded as potential republican candidates for 2008. I think that now a candidate's politics almost totally eclipses ethnic or racial background.

I think your last statement is a little over the top, Doctor. And Rush Limbaugh (the pompous windbag that he is) represents conservatives like Benny Hinn represents Christians. Please....






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Dr. Noah
Jan 5 2008, 10:38 AM
I for one am very excited about this.  I never thought Obama would be doing so well.  I read his book this summer and his overall message is that of hope and I think there needs to be a bit more of that around with all the apocalyptic preaching I've been hearing lately. 
At first I thought that even though it's the 21st century him being a black man would stand in his way.  Especially with commentators still banding about racist messages like calling him "the magic Negro" like Rush thought was so funny. 
But people who wouldn't vote for him based on skin color are not likely to vote Democrat in the first place, so that probably won't hurt him at all.

Actually, it was a columnist from the LA Times who first called him the Magic Negro. Rush just parodied it.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-...-opinion-center
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Dr. Noah
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Yes, I remember hearing a lot of talk about Powell and Rice perhaps running under the Republican ticket, but alas, no action. Talk is cheap.
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Yes, I remember hearing a lot of talk about Powell and Rice perhaps running under the Republican ticket, but alas, no action. Talk is cheap.


Slavery is still dead in the US, Dr. Noah. :lol:

No one can force either one of them to run for office if they chose not to do so. Given the sheer number of times they have been called "house n____" or "Uncle Tom" in the last 8 years for being black Republicans, I don't blame either one of them for declining.

Both excelled in other fields before they went into politics and both can return to those fields for better compensation and a lot less hassle. I wouldn't put my family through the nonsense either.

Pity - Dr. Rice especially would have garnered a lot of support. She actually is the person doing the negotiating and has a foreign policy record to stand and fall on in an election. We don't have to guess how much influence she really had.

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Well, Huckabee may be the "religous" candidate for some, but he is made it clear that he isn't including Mormons in that. :rolleyes:

Well before he ran for President, he gave a talk in which he claimed to have a clear understanding of the Mormon faith - and then went on to tear it apart.

I'm not complaining about that - he has every right to disagree.

What bugs me is - in THIS campaign - he has been making some outrageous comment about Mormons and then, when pressed, plays "innocent" and says that he really doesn't know anything about the faith.

Well, he was either a liar then or a liar now.

Then, we have his now famous press conference when he said that he planned to do a negative campaign on Mitt Romney but decided to take the "high road" (as compared to Mitt Romney in his words) and not air the negative campaign spot. He said that he pulled the "ad buys" in Iowa.

Then he showed the campaign spot to the press in attendance. Although the press knew he was manipulating them, many dutifully presented the story and some even recorded the spot and disbursed it as part of their story. (Saving the Huckabe campaign the cost of airing it themselves on all those stations.)

I read the comments on one news story about the press conference. A good portion of the 300+ comments lauded him for "resisting tempation" and "priving that he was a good Christian" by not going negative.

A conservation (non-Mormon) site asked it's Iowa readers to report on the campaign ads. The ad that was "supposedly pulled" was shown for at least 48 hours after he said it was pulled.

As to Obama .... I really know nothing about his polcies or what he plans to do. All I know is that he is really big into hoping.

I would describe him as being as prepared to be President as George W. Bush was on his first day on the job - but without the experience of having run one for the largest states in the Union for 4+ years.

Having said that, I am not overally impressed with anyone's credentials for being president. Obama is not alone in that regard.
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So you are saying Huckabee is bigotted about the Mormons.

This is probably a big deal if you happen to be a Mormon I guess, I would think that no thinking american would feel comfortable with having someone who is bigotted about any minority or ethnic group or religious group in the job of president.
That should kill him as serious contender I would think.

But then you lot "elected" the current incombent so anything could happen.
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somerled
Jan 6 2008, 11:52 AM
So you are saying Huckabee is bigotted about the Mormons.

This is probably a big deal if you happen to be a Mormon I guess, I would think that no thinking american would feel comfortable with having someone who is bigotted about any minority or ethnic group or religious group in the job of president.
That should kill him as serious contender I would think.

But then you lot "elected" the current incombent so anything could happen.

I don't recall the current incumbent ever making a bigotted remark about any ethnic or religious group. And that includes Muslims, whom he has treated with nothing but the deepest respect.
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In fact, he gets alot of flack from people on the right for refusing to call Islamic terrorists Islamic terrorists.
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I'm quite pleased that I helped elect our current President. I am not as pleased about the current crop of candidates for the next election, but perhaps that will change for the better as we near November.
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Dr. Noah
Jan 5 2008, 10:38 AM
I for one am very excited about this. I never thought Obama would be doing so well. I read his book this summer and his overall message is that of hope and I think there needs to be a bit more of that around with all the apocalyptic preaching I've been hearing lately.
At first I thought that even though it's the 21st century him being a black man would stand in his way. Especially with commentators still banding about racist messages like calling him "the magic Negro" like Rush thought was so funny.
But people who wouldn't vote for him based on skin color are not likely to vote Democrat in the first place, so that probably won't hurt him at all.

Amazing how these vast generalizations are made on this website about people's political party affiliation on this website and nobody bothers to call them on it.
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Amazing how these vast generalizations are made on this website about people's political party affiliation on this website and nobody bothers to call them on it.

Hoss,

Actually, I believe a few posters do call others on this kind of thing regularly. However, it usually just ends up being another round of insults toward each other. That being said, I am amazed that the same people continue to call others on things like this, even after continued attempts fall on deaf ears. Some ought to be commended for their perseverance. :yes:
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It's really surprising to me too that nobody from the current administration period is running. Given all the successes this administration keeps reminding us of, surely there is someone to carry on the legacy approved of by so much of the population.

And given Rice's work in the Middle East she would probably be the best candidate. I don't see how her working to carry on with the work she's been working so hard at over the last several years as having anything to do with slavery. I am perplexed by the comparison.

It's no secret that the Republican party backed segregation in the South, opposed Martin Luther King Jr., and generally the civil rights movement.
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Wait a minute...David Duke was a Democrat, and also a KKK member. He ran for president, and LOST in a landslide. Didnt even come close to the nomination. He was from the South, and he didn't win any primaries in the South either.

And, that was MUCh closer in time than what you are referring to.
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In my family, Barack Obama been the best man to come around since Dr. King. Some of my family members can't believe that I am not on the Obama bandwagon. Many of then feel that they must vote for him because he is an African-American. I personally do not feel that way. I will cast my vote for the candidate that I believe has the experience and skills to be a strong President. I don't feel Barack Obama is the right man for the job. I not saying that he may never became that man, but right now he is not that man(IMHO).
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Dr. Noah
Jan 7 2008, 07:04 AM
It's really surprising to me too that nobody from the current administration period is running. Given all the successes this administration keeps reminding us of, surely there is someone to carry on the legacy approved of by so much of the population.

And given Rice's work in the Middle East she would probably be the best candidate. I don't see how her working to carry on with the work she's been working so hard at over the last several years as having anything to do with slavery. I am perplexed by the comparison.

It's no secret that the Republican party backed segregation in the South, opposed Martin Luther King Jr., and generally the civil rights movement.

Dr.Noah
 
I don't see how her working to carry on with the work she's been working so hard at over the last several years as having anything to do with slavery.  I am perplexed by the comparison.


Did you forgot what you said Just yesteday (or Saturday)?

:headscratch:

Ok :shrug: .... let me remind you.

Here's what you said:

Dr.Noah
 
But people who wouldn't vote for him based on skin color are not likely to vote Democrat in the first place, so that probably won't hurt him at all.


Dr.Noah
 
Yes, I remember hearing a lot of talk about Powell and Rice perhaps running under the Republican ticket, but alas, no action. Talk is cheap.


For some reason, you seem to have the impression that the fact that Rice and/or Powell not running for President tells us something about ALL Republican voters. (See your first comment replicated here.)

In your second comment, you seem to be blaming the Republcan Party for their not running.

What you failed to point out is something that is no secret to anyone:

Both Rice and Powell have repeatedly and forcefully stated that they have no interest in running for President.

Now, there are many reasons that they have made the choice - it could be the multiple, multiple examples of them being called "house n_____" or "Uncle Tom" in publications (electronic and print) for their choice to be Repbulcans. It could be other reasons .... As I indicated earlier, they are both extremely successful in other fields and could easily enjoy their lives making a good income without even 1 tenth of the hassle.

The ONE thing that is clear is that they have CHOSEN not run for President.

So, if, as you claim, it tells us something about Republicans and the Republican Party that Rice and Powell are not the candidates, then you are saying that they should have forced Rice and/or Powell to do something that they have stated that they don't want to do.

Forcing someone to do something they do not want to do is slavery.
(That's where the reference to slavery becomes relevant.)

All the Republican Party (and Republicans) did was respect Rice and Powell's stated choices.

Dr.Noah
 
It's really surprising to me too that nobody from the current administration period is running.


:headscratch:

Define "from the current administration". I really have no idea what you are talking about.

With the exception of the sitting vice president, I can't really think of any administration that provides a candidate for President. Sure, various senators run (and they have in this election) and occasionally a former cabinet officer (which also happened in this cycle) .... :headscratch:

What are you talking about?

Dr.Noah
 
It's no secret that the Republican party backed segregation in the South, opposed Martin Luther King Jr., and generally the civil rights movement.


No, the only people it's a secret to is people who have actually studied American history.

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Dr. Noah, our country has a history of racism. That history belongs to all of us. Trying to say ONLY one group is responsible is a waste of time and energy. I certainly don't think the fact that neither Sharpton or Jackson won the Democratic presidential nomination reflects on ALL Democrats - or even on the Democratic Party.

Obama's victory in very white Iowa is a POSITIVE thing.

Rather than continue to make it a divisive issue, its time to build on the positives.

That's the message that I hear coming from Obama and one thing that I definitely agree with him on.
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