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| Does TOS ever make you cringe?; Sexism etc | |
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| digifan2004 | Jan 2 2008, 11:20 AM Post #16 |
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Mind you back in the sixties, the network had a lot of censorship powers. It's one of the reasons why we never saw blood splats in TOS nor bleeding body parts.
Not even when Kirk was slashed and bruised during the fight with Gary Mitchell - re WNMHGB, security guards getting fried and other virtually lethal death traps.
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| Minuet | Jan 2 2008, 12:10 PM Post #17 |
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It's strange how they had no problem with the skimpy female outfits. And it was in stark contrast to how they would not allow a navel in "I Dream of Jeannie". I saw navels in Star Trek. The "censorship" was certainly not consistent. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 2 2008, 12:20 PM Post #18 |
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^^^ Minuet, I was going to say that perhaps the inconsistency was due to the shows being shown on different networks, but I believe that both I Dream of Jeannie and Star Trek were both shown originally on NBC.
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| Fesarius | Jan 2 2008, 12:28 PM Post #19 |
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Digifan, Yep, and how about Gene's 'No smoking' signs? This was before cigarette commercials were banned from being shown on television. About the only time I can think of where we see some blood is in Patterns of Force, when Kirk and Spock are whipped. But even then, it's not too bad. (And of course, green blood doesn't really count. :Fes:) ![]() There was more shown on the original The Outer Limits television show, but of course that series was filmed and shown in b&w. (For example, check out Keeper of the Purple Twilight, in which the lead actor, Dr. Eric Plummer--played by Warren Stevens of Forbidden Planet and By Any Other Name fame--is shown with large glass slivers protruding from his arm. It was very graphic for its time.) From the opening voiceover, spoken by the great Vic Perrin: "There is no limit to the extension of the curious mind. It reaches to the end of the imagination, then beyond into the mysteries of dreams, hoping always to convert even the dreams into reality, for the greater well-being of all mankind…" **************** Ikar: "That's the second time you use that word, what does it mean?… love." Dr. Plummer: "You don't know?" Ikar: "It's a new word to me." Dr. Plummer: "It's the opposite of hate!" Ikar: "That is also a new word." Dr. Plummer: "These are the two most profound emotions of all Mankind." Ikar: "Emotions?" Dr. Plummer: "Don't tell me you don't know that! What heaven's name, what do you live for?" Ikar: "Accomplishment!" Dr. Plummer: "Without satisfaction?" Ikar: "Knowledge!" Dr. Plummer: "Without pleasure?" Ikar: "Conquest!" Dr. Plummer: "Without hate?" Ikar: "Energy" Dr. Plummer: "For what?" Ikar: "For control." I can't find a picture of the arm full of glass, but here are a few pics from the episode. The first one is Ikar in his human (not normal) state, and the second one is Ikar after he has decided to reveal himself in his true form: ![]() ![]() This next pic is for Fire, who like me, likes The Outer Limits a lot. This one is from Don't Open Till Doomsday: This next one is for Minuet, at a time when she and William Shatner were dating.
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| fireh8er | Jan 2 2008, 01:03 PM Post #20 |
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^^^ You probably know this; Vic Perrin was the Halken leader in Miror, Mirror and voices of the Nomad and the Metron. |
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| Minuet | Jan 2 2008, 01:14 PM Post #21 |
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If I was dating Shatner when that photo was taken it was a true miracle. Considering I probably wasn't even born yet :lol: |
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| Fesarius | Jan 2 2008, 05:38 PM Post #22 |
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Fire, Yes, I did know this. But Salome Jens--wow! I had no idea about that. Minuet, Yes, I know the years aren't right. But they're ... close.
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| Franko | Jan 2 2008, 08:49 PM Post #23 |
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I'd be willing to argue that we really don't see parity for women in Trek until DS9. TNG didn't really portray many women in positions of authority. Picard's Enterprise is almost Victorian in it's sense of a "male dominated" command structure. Troi's a counsellor, and Beverley's an easy to get along with doctor. Tasha they killed off. The only women from TNG's Enterprise that I found somewhat "commanding" was Dr. Pulaski (Diana Muldaur) who was then pulled from the show, and Commander Shelby in BOBW who was portrayed as a bit of an ambitious you-know-what. Thoughts ?
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 2 2008, 10:11 PM Post #24 |
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I'd have to agree with you there Franko. Crusher and Troi were always so demure and Tasha, the one with hutzpah was offed in the first season. I would throw in Ensign Ro as an example of an equal sex character, but we only saw her for like three episodes. Dax and Kira both were equals in every way to the male characters, and Dax even more so as she was both sexes at different times as well as gaining the respect of some prominent Klingons. Although it's still my least favorite series, I'm really glad they did a show with a female captain. I think that was an important step in Star Trek. |
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| digifan2004 | Jan 6 2008, 12:03 PM Post #25 |
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Bringing this thread back on course - I did found one scene disturbing.
I've found the scene when Chekov tried to rape Myra in "Day of the Dove" a somewhat trouble scenario. There was something wrong with such a young man trying to rape a woman.
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| Fesarius | Jan 6 2008, 04:59 PM Post #26 |
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^^^ I wonder how Myra saw it, since she was a Klingon. We've seen how some of those mating rituals go. It may be that she wasn't even phased.
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| Minuet | Jan 6 2008, 06:51 PM Post #27 |
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^^^ But she was a married woman. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 6 2008, 10:13 PM Post #28 |
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^^^ That shouldn't matter, since she was a Klingon.
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| RTW | Jan 7 2008, 01:11 AM Post #29 |
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As we sit in judgement of those who came before us, applying today's standards to yesterday's thoughts and actions, I wonder what modern day norms our grandchildren will view as ignorant.
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| STC | Jan 7 2008, 08:20 AM Post #30 |
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^^^ Always a good question. Our children and grandchildren in years to come will no doubt take a dim view of many of the things we consider 'acceptable' today. I'm not sure we're sitting in judgement though? I think most if not all people here would agree that TOS, in many social aspects was way way ahead of its time. But, even when that is considered, there's still lots of stuff there in a modern day context that is awful. TNG is no different. I'm working through all the episodes at the moment and there's a lot of stuff in that series that is making me cringe. Its just progress. |
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Not even when Kirk was slashed and bruised during the fight with Gary Mitchell - re WNMHGB, security guards getting fried and other virtually lethal death traps.



I've found the scene when Chekov tried to rape Myra in "Day of the Dove" a somewhat trouble scenario.
There was something wrong with such a young man trying to rape a woman.



3:50 AM Jul 11