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Does TOS ever make you cringe?; Sexism etc
Topic Started: Jan 1 2008, 05:03 PM (866 Views)
Data's Cat's Sister
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There are some episodes of TOS where I've just wanted to cringe. The ones where the women are patronised and treated as sex objects.

Do you ever feel the same way when watching it? Does it spoil your enjoyment?

Do you think that we'll look back at episodes of DS9 and cringe at the dabo girls in years to come?
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Sgt. Jaggs
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I always hated Kirk's Lip-smashing Kiss. I used to wonder 'doesn't that hurt?'
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In those days, french kissing could not be depicted on TV.


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Do you think that we'll look back at episodes of DS9 and cringe at the dabo girls in years to come?



Not really :rolleyes:



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Franko
Jan 1 2008, 09:03 PM
In those days, french kissing could not be depicted on TV.


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Do you think that we'll look back at episodes of DS9 and cringe at the dabo girls in years to come?



Not really :rolleyes:

You mean normal actual kissing.

How did the French get credit for normal kissing?

Who taught us all that term? :chin:
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Hoss
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I think that it is common for us to give credit to or blame the French for anything that is perceived to be vulgar. I am just speculating on history though and I have not looked up history on that term.
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No, I don't think anything in TOS makes me cringe. The only thing that comes close might be the materials that the special features reveal were used for some of the props in the series. Now, I have to start looking out for ice cube trays and soccer balls!

As far as the claim of sexism is concerned, I accept what Nichelle Nichols had to say about it, and how from her perspective the way women dressed and were treated in the series was 'liberating.'
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Minuet
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^^^ For it's time it was liberating. There was a certain amount of sexism though. In "Who Mourns For Adonis" which I just saw last week there was a really silly exchange between McCoy and Kirk about how Carolyn was probably not the right girl for Scotty because, being a pretty girl she would probably meet a nice guy and leave the service.
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It does bother me a bit that it was said in Turnabout Intruder that women could not be starship captains.
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Paradise Syndrome, when Kirk gives CPR to the kid, always made me cringe, a little too enthusiastic


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It does bother me a bit that it was said in Turnabout Intruder that women could not be starship captains.

Noah,

It's interesting to speculate on what was meant by that in the episode. I have always thought that Janice Lester was damning Kirk for his views regarding his personal life and woman (his love for his career demanding that no room was left for a commitment toward any one woman). In any event, is this the part you're referring to in the episode?

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The year we were together at Starfleet...
is the only time in my life I was alive.
I never stopped you from going on with your space work.
Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women.
- It isn't fair. - No, it isn't.
And you punished and tortured me because of it.
I loved you.
We could've roamed among the stars.
We'd have killed each other.
It might have been better.
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Minuet
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^^^ Where do you copy the dialogue from? Is it from memory or do you have a website - I would like to give the exact dialogue from the episode I mentioned. It really was cringeworthy :lol:
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Where do you copy the dialogue from? Is it from memory or do you have a website - I would like to give the exact dialogue from the episode I mentioned. It really was cringeworthy. :lol:

Minuet,

It is from memory. ;)

Seriously, I get the scripts from here:

http://www.voyager.cz/

The link for TOS is at the left (fourth link under Trek Game). When you get to the episode you want, click the yellow transcript link. I usually find what I'm looking for in the transcript by typing in some key words I can recall. For this example, I typed in 'service,' which brought me to the text below.

Here is the link for your episode:

http://www.voyager.cz/tos/epizody/34mourns...donaistrans.htm

And I'm guessing that this is the text:

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Bones ...
could you get that excited over a cup of coffee?
From here I can tell his pulse rate's up.
Gentlemen.
Come along, my dear.
I'm not sure I like that,Jim.
Why, Bones? Scotty's a good man.
He thinks he's the right man for her,
but I'm not sure
she thinks he's the right man.
On the other hand, she's a woman --
all woman.
Mmm.
One day she'll find the right man,
and off she'll go, out of the service.
It's not so much losing an officer
as gaining --
Come along.
Actually, I'm losing an officer.
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Minuet
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That's the part! It is pretty sexist.

It's strange that they never treated Urhura that way - but they did guest characters :shrug:
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Fesarius
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^^^
I never thought of it as sexist. I was too busy thinking how pretty Carolyn was, and how she would make a good cook.

































;) :)
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Minuet
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:P
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