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Do women different treatment in our legal system?; Sentencing Bias for women
Topic Started: Dec 31 2007, 09:25 PM (678 Views)
Sgt. Jaggs
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I noticed the woman who shot at President Ford got out of prison today! :frust:

A woman named either named LaFave or Letourneau or both got off easy after sex with underage boys in school. :huh:

The reality of the leagal system in this country:

1: Money talks and you almost always walk.

2. Load the Jury with people who are just like you (not just your peers) and subvert justice with legal technicalities.(you are going straight to hell when you participate in this)

Add #3. to the list: If you are a non threatening or cute female you get a lighter sentence.



What if she aims lower and Ford's head is blown off? Does she get out then? Why do we pay to feed her and keep her alive all these years?

Retire them ASAP.

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Hoss
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the dude who shot REagan has been out for a while I believe.
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fireh8er
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Of course there is a gender bias. If those teachers were male, and they had sex with under age female students, they would be under the jail. No questions asked. The female teachers who have committed the same crime would get way less time than their male counterparts.
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Coda
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Yeah, but its a hard thing to stop. I mean, whats that 15-18 year old young man to do if he's hot for his 30 year old teacher, and she asks, wanna drive my 'vette? And he hears, wanna make me wet?

On a more serious note, I think that there is something deeply engrained in our physche concerning the concept of penetrator and penetrated.

The saying that annoys me the most is 'the weaker sex'
I have to laugh every time I hear that one! Women are many things, weak is not one of them. Whenever a male uses that phrase, it shows me his lack of experience with females. When a female uses that phrase, it shows me she may know her mark better than he knows himself...

Naah!
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Jag
Dec 31 2007, 06:25 PM
I noticed the woman who shot at President Ford got out of prison today! :frust:




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The one-time aspiring film actress was 40 feet away from Ford outside a hotel in San Francisco when she fired a shot at him on Sept. 22, 1975. As she raised her .38-caliber revolver and pulled the trigger, Oliver Sipple, a disabled former Marine standing next to her, pushed up her arm. The bullet flew over Ford's head by several feet.



She's 77 and has done 32 years. But I get your point.


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A woman named either named LaFave or Letourneau or both got off easy after sex with underage boys in school. :huh:




Not that I approve of it or anything, but there is a bit of a two-way street. Super sweet young schoolteacher just isn't seen as a "predator" like it would be if the genders were reversed. When I was in high school all us guys fantasized about some of our sexy teachers. A friend of mine actually was seduced by a female teacher back in high (I know because I caught them by accident) although she was a bit of a cow.


Hey, at least he got an A. :ermm:




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Wichita
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Yes, women (especially pretty ones) do get a break in our judicial system and it it is not right.

Also, I am tired of hearing 'you can't send me to jail ... I have 3 kids'

Well, lady, you had 3 kids when you did the crime. If it didn't matter to you then, why should it matter to me now?

If the kids had any relative (or other option) with a moral compass, they are better off with that person, than you, anyway.
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Minuet
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There are times when women get off easier.

There are also times when men get off too easy. Rape does not get heavy sentences like it should.

As for this case - as Franko pointed out 32 years for attempted murder. Not murder, attempted murder. Had she shot at anyone but the President of the US she would have been out years ago. She was not treated differently then a man in this case. She was treated differently because of her intended victim and it did not work in her favour.
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In terms of long sentances you have to bare in mind that women live longer then men. So a women is more likely to get out, because she is more likely to live to the end of her sentence.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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Yeah I admit I was just as pissed that Hinkley got released.(Reagan's shooter)

1. I don't care if they are crazy
2. I don't care which race or gender a killer may be

That statue of Justice being blind, the woman holding up the scales with a blindfold on. Anyone seen a picture of that? It would be nice to see that at least once in a while in the high profile cases.

Yes we may indeed have the best system in the world Yadda Yadda... but I'm just saying

Another thing I would like to see is someone at least go to trial like The Ramseys or Joran Vandersloot. At least make the effort.
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attempted murder. Not murder, attempted murder.

I don't think people should get a break for being a poor shot or otherwise incompetent. There shouldn't be a difference in sentencing.

Perhaps there should be some sentencing break for targeting a politician or judge though. :evilfire:
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Minuet
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Jan 1 2008, 08:19 PM
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attempted murder. Not murder, attempted murder.

I don't think people should get a break for being a poor shot or otherwise incompetent. There shouldn't be a difference in sentencing.

Perhaps there should be some sentencing break for targeting a politician or judge though. :evilfire:

The subject under discussion is whether women are treated differently in the legal system. Your opinion on whether or not sentences in general are appropriate should be taken to a new thread if you wish to discuss that.

In this case I would definitely say that being female did nothing to do shorten the length of the sentence. I base that on the only available comparable case in which the MALE perp was given a stay in a psychiatric hospital instead of a prison sentence.

And honestly, consiidering some of the sentences given for violent rapes I really wonder why anyone would question the shorter sentences in the case of statutory rape where often the victim is a willing participant - like in the case that Franko cited with his friend. I'm not saying that statutory rape should be condoned. I am saying that violent rape deserves longer sentences then statutory rape and based on that I don't think the females are getting off as easy as you all seem to think.
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Sgt. Jaggs
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Minuet
Jan 1 2008, 10:20 PM
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Jan 1 2008, 08:19 PM
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attempted murder. Not murder, attempted murder.

I don't think people should get a break for being a poor shot or otherwise incompetent. There shouldn't be a difference in sentencing.

Perhaps there should be some sentencing break for targeting a politician or judge though. :evilfire:

The subject under discussion is whether women are treated differently in the legal system. Your opinion on whether or not sentences in general are appropriate should be taken to a new thread if you wish to discuss that.

In this case I would definitely say that being female did nothing to do shorten the length of the sentence. I base that on the only available comparable case in which the MALE perp was given a stay in a psychiatric hospital instead of a prison sentence.

And honestly, consiidering some of the sentences given for violent rapes I really wonder why anyone would question the shorter sentences in the case of statutory rape where often the victim is a willing participant - like in the case that Franko cited with his friend. I'm not saying that statutory rape should be condoned. I am saying that violent rape deserves longer sentences then statutory rape and based on that I don't think the females are getting off as easy as you all seem to think.

Be careful with that though Min, the laundry list of definitions of words like statuatory and violent used to discriminate the crime come with all kinds of interpretations opinions and xtra word police baggage like intent.
This may be why the Justice Blind would be nice.

IThis reminds me of the debate over what is called a Hate crime and the Thought Police emerging. Neat fodder for a Tom Cruise movie maybe but we really don't need to distinguish nor understand the perp and see his plight.
Law. :huh: Law broken. :o No questions. Go directly to trial. :2cents:
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I believe Letourneau is still married with the guy, and they have three kids
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Jan 1 2008, 08:20 PM
The subject under discussion is whether women are treated differently in the legal system. Your opinion on whether or not sentences in general are appropriate should be taken to a new thread if you wish to discuss that.

Thanks mom. I'm sorry for expanding on your tangent.
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Jan 2 2008, 11:03 AM
Minuet
Jan 1 2008, 08:20 PM
The subject under discussion is whether women are treated differently in the legal system. Your opinion on whether or not sentences in general are appropriate should be taken to a new thread if you wish to discuss that.

Thanks mom. I'm sorry for expanding on your tangent.

And if you had the reading skills to read an entire sentence instead of pulling your usual shit of only quoting half a sentence you would see that I was quite on topic. :rolleyes:
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