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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 13 2007, 02:52 PM (407 Views) | |
| Dandandat | Dec 13 2007, 02:52 PM Post #1 |
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Time to put something here
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A freind of mine wrote:
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| Dandandat | Dec 13 2007, 02:53 PM Post #2 |
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Time to put something here
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I told him
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| Hoss | Dec 13 2007, 04:02 PM Post #3 |
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My first comment is find a good employer that treats you well and is concerned about you. They do exist, and they realize that this gives them an advantage over other companies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not sure what days you are talking about here. I assume that we aren't talking about the child labor sweat shop days of the late 19th century. Smart companies do care about their work force, now more than ever in my industry. Take a look at what companies like Google, et. al. are doing to recruit and retain employees. It is previously unheard of. And why would you want to work for a company that you don't care about?
Pensions were just a raw deal for the company and often mismanaged, and of less value to the employee than a good IRA or 401k. That is why companies have dumped them in recent times and began encouraging individual retirement plans and providing incentives.
This is why companies who want to retain employees provide them with bonuses that vest with time. Like stock options or bonuses, etc. Perhaps things are quite a bit different in a government bureaucracy. |
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| 8247 | Dec 13 2007, 06:34 PM Post #4 |
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Apparently we look like this now
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I don't call in sick, unless I am physically unable to get out of bed. |
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| Dandandat | Dec 13 2007, 07:20 PM Post #5 |
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I’m sorry I don’t agree companies switched to IRAs and 401ks because it was better for everyone. They did so because it was better for them. Which is fine, they decided it was no longer in their interest to worry about their employees in that manner and in turn their employs stopped being loyal. 401k’s might be better then pensions if you know what you are doing, but ask any CEO of any company if they would feel comfortable letting the lower level employees manage their (the CEO’s) retirement fund and they’ll laugh at you. A generation ago it was common place that two or three generations worked for the same company, Because the company took care of their own, this is pretty much unheard of now days. The relationship between employer and employee has defiantly changed and companies like Google are the exception rather then the rule. Even in most situations where employers offer outstanding benefits, they only do so because it affects their bottom line. They would cut them tomorrow if that instead boosted their productivity. Its no longer a personal situation for them, it is a transaction and that is why employees treat it as such. |
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| somerled | Dec 13 2007, 11:46 PM Post #6 |
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My experience has been that many employers expect loyalty from their employees , but it is only one way , and they show zero loyalty to their employees. |
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| Hoss | Dec 14 2007, 08:31 AM Post #7 |
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I can't have such a cynical viewpoint. Or perhaps, I don't personalize a company or my relationship with one. Why should a company take care of someone so thoroughly in this manner? People should take care of themselves and be encouraged to do so. I guess that I don't want my company to be my sugar-daddy or nanny. When it comes to my career, my company and I have goals that line up and we have a nice agreement, I do what I agreed to do and they do what they agreed to do. I don't want a personal relationship, I want a good business relationship. Would you go into business with your brother-in-law? I wouldn't want a business relationship with my family. I can manage the rest of my life and my company probably doesn't want to be my mommy. |
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| Dandandat | Dec 14 2007, 11:28 AM Post #8 |
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I would agree, and I think that is exactly the point I am making. Employment is no longer a personal relationship between the employee and the employer. It uses to be. My argument is not to imply that I think there is something wrong with this less personal relationship, just that my friend was wrong to criticize the devaluation of that relationship on the part of the employee when that devaluation is mutual. You see my friend was complaining that the younger work for has no loyalty or little to their companies; which is true, but warranted since they are not given loyalty in return. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 17 2007, 11:22 AM Post #9 |
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I have seen that more with what is known as Generation Y, as opposed to X. Gen Y seems to be the least prepared to enter the workforce as well. Little work experience, tend to internalize things too much... on a visit to my chief client's I saw one guy cry. Why? Because his raise wasn't as much as he expected. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 3 2008, 01:12 AM Post #10 |
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Sistertrek's Asian Correspondant
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So you're basing your assessment of an entire generation based on this one man's behavior? |
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| Dandandat | Jan 3 2008, 08:21 AM Post #11 |
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I dont understand your question, I haven't made an assessment of an entire generation. I have made an assesment of what this one person has to say about the issue. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 3 2008, 08:22 AM Post #12 |
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Sistertrek's Asian Correspondant
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Sorry Dan, I was addressing AB. |
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| Dandandat | Jan 3 2008, 08:29 AM Post #13 |
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Time to put something here
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Oh, ok
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Jan 3 2008, 10:37 AM Post #14 |
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UberAdmiral
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Funny that I didn't assess "an entire generation" like you accuse. You might wish to re-read what I wrote. But, being the fun guy that I am I did a search using "gen y+crying at work" and got a lot of interesting responses. It appears that I'm not the only one who has noted this behavior. In addition, I've also commanded boatloads of 18 and 19 year olds who are now today's Gen Y. Talk about smothered by their mommies.
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| Fesarius | Jan 3 2008, 11:31 AM Post #15 |
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^^^ I don't know about it being boatloads. I'm thinking, two or three pantloads. But we can discuss if you wish.
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