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| whitestar | Jun 11 2007, 12:47 AM Post #1 |
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Watching one of my tapes of a TOS episode last night, I'm not good with episode titles, in this one a planet under threat from their sun going nova, planet inhabitants mysteriously absent in the final hours. They have fled into the past, Kirk, Bones and Spock seperated by different time periods. Spock explains to the sole inhabitant of an Ice age scenario that he is from a planet MILLIONS of light years away, now that's a longgg way off , so far away that he would be in a different galaxy than our own. I was disappointed to hear such a mayor mistake by the writers as I was under the impression they had experts on the staff that kept the scientific statements as close to fact as possible. But hey, I guess like most trekkies I expect to much from my favorite show(s) |
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| Fesarius | Jun 11 2007, 07:52 AM Post #2 |
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^^^ All Our Yesterdays, from Season Three (one of the final handful of episodes from the series). It features the Atavachron, and of course, Zarabeth. I've always liked the Mr. Atoz (A to Z) character as a librarian. And those optical DVDs (for want of a better phrase) are still quite a ways ahead of their time, and that was in 1969. |
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| whitestar | Jun 11 2007, 10:39 AM Post #3 |
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yes, thats the one... I've seen it many times as I have with all my ST tapes but I never picked up the millions of light years mistake till last night and now you mention it, never caught on to the A-Z of the librarian Mr Atoz, but I can pick up heavy things. The DVD's also stood out to me last night as a typical Star-Trek innovation |
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| Fesarius | Jun 11 2007, 10:55 AM Post #4 |
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Whitestar, Yes, I've noticed several mistakes over the years (in most of the series). I think they're kind of fun to discuss. In one episode of TOS (Tomorrow Is Yesterday), Spock says 'relevant,' and then another person (quoting Spock) says 'relative,' and Spock agrees with the character, saying it was a poor choice of words on his (Spock's) part, even though the words are different. In another episode (The Devil in the Dark), 'thousands' becomes 'millions' (or the inverse). Little things like that stick out for me. But the one you cite is a much larger mistake, I would think. Other thoughts regarding the episode-- In All Our Yesterdays, the Spock of approximately 5,000 years ago (the one with Zarabeth) is IMO somewhat frightening. When displaying emotion, he reminds me a bit of Lore--not someone I would want to tangle with, I don't think. Did you know that All Our Yesterdays is, I believe, the only episode of TOS in which we don't see the ship (either exterior or interior)? I can't recall if we see the exterior as Sarpeidon's sun goes nova, but I don't think we do. Just a neat tidbit. Another tidbit (this one in the reusage of props department): the Atavachron uses parts from Gary Seven's computer seen in Assignment: Earth.
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| Franko | Jun 11 2007, 10:52 PM Post #5 |
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TOS was sometimes a little sloppy with astronomy. In those days, there was less scrutiny about this kind of thing than later on during TNG and post-TNG. TOS also used to sometimes use "kilometers" and sometimes "miles". Gotta admit, "Atavachron" is a brilliant term. Still trying to figure out where this "energy barrier" at the edge of our galaxy is. You'd think that somewhere along the way someone might have wanted to gamble with getting "god-like" powers as we see in "Where No Man Has Gone Before". |
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| whitestar | Jun 12 2007, 02:03 AM Post #6 |
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At the start, captains log narrative, the enterpise orbits the planet. At the end the Enterprise heads out of orbit as the star goes Nova behind it. Not familier with Assignment Earth, Fes whats the gist of it.
Good one Franko, I remember that first (or second pilot) episode from childhood, at the time all seemed just fine but watching it as an adult I just had to shake my head and cringe while muttering under my breath "Barrier? what @#$% barrier? what were they thinking?" But it's a good episode for a beginner, though I think I prefer the original pilot. Odd to see Spock smiling. Now that I think about it the double episode where Spock hijacks the Enterprise and the original pilot is tied in with Kirk's command was well done and enjoyable. |
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| LoriCiani | Jul 24 2007, 04:25 PM Post #7 |
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Ok, here goes.
Too much information?
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| Illogical Vulcan | Aug 5 2007, 08:11 PM Post #8 |
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I'll admit that little things like the "millions of light-years" mistake drive me crazy. But I'm usually far less critical of TOS and TAS than the newer shows. Mostly because the majority of us (I assume) have a far better understanding of elementary astronomy than most people did back in the middle 60s. I think the writers of TNG (and onward) should know better than to make the really big gaffs. I know it's science fiction. But I really believe keeping everything as close as possible to science-fact enhances the fictional element of the shows. |
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| Fesarius | Aug 5 2007, 09:28 PM Post #9 |
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Okay, that sounds right. It must be only the interior of the ship that we do not see.
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| Hoss | Aug 5 2007, 09:48 PM Post #10 |
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One thing that grates on me, and it isn't just Star Trek that does it, is when the say "solar system" to apply to any star system. There is only one Solar system, it is the one named after the star called Sol. |
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| Illogical Vulcan | Aug 6 2007, 03:03 AM Post #11 |
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Yeah, that's another thing that irks me. We also hear them mention a lot of stars by name (and moons) but whenever they mention Sol or Luna, they always sem to say "Earth's sun" or "Earth's moon". They never mention them by name. But all in all, these two complaints are low on my peeve scale. |
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