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| The Crucifixion of Don Imus; Behold it in all its splendor | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 11 2007, 08:25 PM (1,507 Views) | |
| Sgt. Jaggs | Apr 11 2007, 08:25 PM Post #1 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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Wow. There really is no news in this country. Its neat in a sick sad way to see an old man crucified in the media for such nonsense. It is also disturbing. Imus should tell the media to go F themselves, yet he shows up and gets whipped. Folks we are talking about comments attempted to be qualified through his generations digestion of this generations lingo. Crap if anyone is Knappy headed it is Imus. Have you seen his hair? Wow.Flash forward 20 years from today. Al Sharpton will still be crusading for the rights of African Americans as if it were 1961. Only then, you may not recognize that a person is indeed actually black outloud without being flogged to DEATH~!
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 12 2007, 01:12 AM Post #2 |
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Yeah, what's the world coming to when a conservative commentator can't make racist remarks on the air? "Knappy headed" isn't as offensive as calling these girls "whores". What did they do to deserve to be called whores other than work hard to get to the championchip finals? Get used to it, open racism is no longer tolerated however funny conservative commentators think it is. |
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| bonja | Apr 12 2007, 05:03 AM Post #3 |
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Commodore
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Moderator Action I am moving this to Current Events. |
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| Dandandat | Apr 12 2007, 06:59 AM Post #4 |
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Time to put something here
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Except if you are a Black comedian or performing artist, then racism is funny and denigration of woman is not only acceptable but expected. That’s the tragedy in this whole thing, not that Imus is being brought to task. But that his ‘one’ simple comment is getting a public out crying of this proportion, yet so many many other worse offences don’t even get a bat of the eye. If these protests really did care about which they are protesting they have the power to change the world for the better, not just cause the job of a man who is most likely to leave the air ways soon anyway. But they don’t care about what they are protesting they only care about hurting Imus. Very very sad. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 12 2007, 08:28 AM Post #5 |
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Y'know, I'd like to see the same standard applied everywhere. Crucify Imus for making derogatory comments, but let pretty much every thug rapper get a pass? Sorry, that just isn't right. Actually, he used the term "ho" not "whore". Let's go read "fitty cen's" ahem... lyrics and see how many times that word is used. Maybe you can only use that term if you have the vaunted "ghetto pass" or something? Imus should have told Sharpton and Jesse where to go and what to do with themselves, but no, he has no cojones. He kowtowed to those two poverty pimps. Gutless. Do I listen to Imus? No. I think he's a lefty kook who jumped the shark back in the 70s on WNBC. His misfired attempt to get ratings just doomed his career. I can't say I'm sorry, but he should have had the guts to stand up for himself. It won't change my life if he goes off the air, but at least he could have done it without groveling. EDIT:
Or leftist commentators too, Noah? Imus is the last guy one would think of as conservative, unless he was Karl Marx. |
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| Minuet | Apr 12 2007, 08:32 AM Post #6 |
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This is unbelievable. Let me start with saying that I never heard of this guy Imus before and know nothing of his political background except what has been written on this thread. With that said I cannot believe that two people here are being apologists for unacceptable comments made by this man. Jag - you have stated that these "comments attempted to be qualified through his generations digestion of this generations lingo" That is BS. I took a look at this guys picture on your link. He is obviously an ageing hippie. He is not a 90 year old that grew up in a different era. He is of the generation that changed the way blacks are able to live in your country. He should damn well know what is offensive and what is not. The only way "age" should excuse him is if he is starting to show signs of early Alzheimers disease. Seriously. And if that is the case then he is no longer fit to do his job anyways. Dandandat - Do you really believe that if others get away with this crap that this guy should too? Sorry - that doesn't fly. Two wrongs do not make a right. You state that others make more offensive comments. Can you back that up with examples? Have Black public figures really said worse? Sorry - but this guy just cannot be compared to your average joe who says such things without an outcry. If someone is not famous it is up to those who know him to set him straight. Joe Blow is not going to be on the news. But he is going to see Mr. Imus on the news and think twice about the offensive comments he makes and that is the point here. Edit - looks like two of us were typing at the same time. Make that three apologists Double edit - Jag didn't give a link. I looked the guy up on the internet and saw a picture that's why I know what he looked like - I didn't mean to refer to a link in my above comments. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Apr 12 2007, 08:41 AM Post #7 |
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In no way am I apologizing for Imus. I've been baffled as to why he has a show, but then again so does Howard Stern. But, that being said, you really should listen to some of the filthy lyrics that populate rap "music" today. I won't let my kids listen to it. The misogynation by this industry is well-documented and longstanding, Min. http://www.uga.edu/~womanist/rhym2.1.htm This commentary is just the tip of the metaphorical iceburg. |
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 12 2007, 08:47 AM Post #8 |
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Are gangster rap lyrics on MSNBC? I must've missed that. Those lyrics, if and when they are played on the air have such lyrics deleted. No, gangster rappers don't get a pass either, nor do "leftist" commentators, however, this isn't the first "rightist" commmentator to lose his job over making racist statements on the air. He isn't the only person over the airwaves spewing hate speech and encouraging such intolerance. I hear it all the time, usually from the AM radio. Intolerance seems to get ratings, there is no easier way to unite people than through fear and intolerance of people that are different than yourself. But the fact that he lost so many sponsors over such comments is probably why he lost his job. If advertisers choose not to back hate speech with their dollar, then that's their right. Unfortunately, people get passes on this all the time on less widespread media. Mike (Weiner) Savage lost several after his homophobic hate speech outburst a few years ago. But making fun of race, gender, and even one's debilitating disease is seen as funny by some people, so they continue to encourage intolerance over the air. As far as trying to shift blame on ganster rap, it's not the first genre of music to be mysogynistic. It's been that way for decades, in many genres. Gangster rap is the newest, so it gets a lot of attention. |
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| Minuet | Apr 12 2007, 08:57 AM Post #9 |
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AB - I agree that gangsta rap is unacceptable crap and I wouldn't allow my kids to listen to it either. But with that said two wrongs still don't make a right. Musicians are a different industry - one that unfortunately is able to disseminate it's products in a variety of ways. Most mainstream radio stations don't play the crap. And frankly I don't see NBC giving these racist and misogynist "artists" a platform either, so if they fire Imus they are being consistent unto themselves and are not being hypocritical. The hypocrisy statements made in this thread just don't fly. Maybe a rap station will hire Imus :rolleyes: |
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| Dandandat | Apr 12 2007, 09:05 AM Post #10 |
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You must not listen to a lot of Rap, its not just the hard core rappers that degrade woman many of the main stream Rappers who are not “Gangster” rappers degrade woman on a regular bases. Their lyrics are played all over the media spectrum with out the outrage seen here. A popular lyric that comes to they top of my head is "I an’t saying she’s a gold digger but I don’t see her mess’n with no broke nigga” in a song by Kanye West and Jaime foxx, nether of which would be considered gangsta rappers. These lyrics are played in their entirety on MTV and hip-hop radio stations. Black Comedians on a regular bases have racist jokes in their repertoires. I would be hard pressed to find a Top Notch Black Comedian who has not told a series of “white” jokes. They all still have lucrative Corers. Your argument is with out merit and ignores the double standard that exists. You can get rid of all the Don Imus out there, but if the other side is contumely ignored you will ot defeat racism and sexism. The advertises could care less about what Imus has said, If they did they would not have sponsored him in the first place, its not new knowledge that Imus has a dirty mouth. They don’t want to be evolved with the controversy the recent out cry has caused. As soon as it dies down, they will jump right back into sponsoring Imus. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Apr 12 2007, 09:15 AM Post #11 |
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What I find interesting about this case is how people of various ideologies and backgrounds are coming down on different sides of this issue. And not on the stereotypical left vs. right side. Simply because this issue is at the heart of so many issues (freedom of speech, racism, corporate sponsorship, good behavior vs. bad behavior, forgiveness vs. unforgiveness, and so many other societal issues). Personally, I think what he said was wrong. The comments were made in the middle of a terrible joke. Imus has apologized for his comments every which way to Sunday and these apologies do not seem trite to me. I think a suspension was warranted, but not an outright firing. He definitely deserves some back lash for a while, but I certainly don’t think his entire career should be ruined over this one incident. Certain public figures are going overboard (acting out of proportion) considering the bigoted trash that is regularly left alone (not railed against). The public hypocrites are coming out of the woodwork to further their own agendas. |
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 12 2007, 09:17 AM Post #12 |
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The music industry is rife with misogynism. "Brown Sugar" by the Stones comes to mind, I remember some sexist lyrics in some of the Doors songs as well. Not to mention the plethora of "hair bands" in the 80s who made a fortune on exploitation to the outrage people have for rap. Anyone remember David Lee Roth's "California Girls" video? How about Warrant's "Cherry Pie" album? I have a lot of favorite rap artists. I doubt they could be considered "gangsta". People seem to misunderstand that black people in America have a different history than others in America and that there is a great deal of frustration from a lot of people about the situation they are in. From slavery to sharecropping, from segregation to Jim Crow, from Ku Klux Klan to CoIntelPro. I'm not apologizing for gangster rap, I find much of it shallow, offensive and ultimately nihilistic. But there is a great misunderstanding about the differences in history and the frustration of the situation as shown by Imus and others here. |
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| Minuet | Apr 12 2007, 09:23 AM Post #13 |
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Now I am going to have to disagree with you Noah. History is a poor excuse for the lyrics. There are many successful, upwardly mobile Blacks in the US these days. They did it without being sexist and racist and they share the same history. They got ahead the mainstream way - by using thier brains. |
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| Dr. Noah | Apr 12 2007, 09:28 AM Post #14 |
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I told you what you I thought of gangster rap, all I'm saying is that a lot of modern music is that way. Just to illustrate, the lyrics to Warrant's Cherry Pie: "She's my cherry pie, cool drink of water such a sweet surprise. Tastes so good makes a grown man cry, sweet cherry pie." and the Stones' Brown Sugar: "Brown Sugar! How come you taste so good? MMmmmm Brown Sugar! Just like a young girl should." |
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| Dandandat | Apr 12 2007, 09:30 AM Post #15 |
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Time to put something here
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Let me answer the second part of your comment first.
Al Sharpton has been the most vocal none "average joe" during this protest. Al Sharpton continues to be a prominent leader of the black community. Al Sharpton was a presidential candidate in 2004. Al Sharpton has not been fired from his job as leader of the black community. So no we are not talking about average joes. Now for the first part of your comment. You are right two wrongs do not make a right and Imus is wrong. But I find the current out rage to be disingenuous and hypocriful. I do not see it as the correcting one of the two wrongs, I see it as yet a third wrong and just as two wrongs don’t make it right, three wrongs don’t make a right ether. |
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Have you seen his hair? Wow.

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