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| Fesarius | Feb 9 2007, 04:00 PM Post #31 |
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There are so many other things I cannot explain in the Trek universe. But I feel rather confident about this one.
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| Franko | Feb 10 2007, 03:36 AM Post #32 |
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IMagine. People questioning the greatness of TWOK. First, the "garden spot" comment was sarcasm as the whole planet had a hostile environment. Comparitively, the area they beamed down to was considered the most calmest. That is Chekov's meaning there. Khan recognized Chekov because he had photographic memory which would be apropos to his superior genetics. During "Space Seed", Chekov was a junior officer who we do not see because he has not achieved the level of bridge duty yet. Chekov recognizes Khan since anyone serving on the Enterprise at that time would have remembered him. The Ceti Alpha mixup makes for interesting drama, but is likely not an error that would be made realistically by Starfleet professionals. The other issue is when the Genesis device explodes, it seems to create a planet. That doesn't seem consistant with the overview from Dr. Marcus where it is used to convert a lifeless planet. Or did the Genesis wave travel all the way back to the planetoid at Regulus ? Is that the basis of the Genesis planet in ST3 ? |
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| Fesarius | Feb 10 2007, 10:44 AM Post #33 |
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[Fesarius thinks of mailing that Fender Stratocaster Franko's way. Or was it a Les Paul? ;)] |
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| Sam The Smuggler | Feb 10 2007, 11:27 AM Post #34 |
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It looked as though the Nebula disappointed completely and Genesis appeared...but maybe that was just a dissolve to Regula. :lol: |
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| Hoss | Feb 12 2007, 08:31 AM Post #35 |
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yeah, I always thought that the matter in the nebula was used to create the planet. Was this nebula part of the star system that had the regula star base? I guess so since neither vessel had warp drive they couldn't have really gotten out of the star system. So, the genesis planet must have been a new planet in this star system. Either that or we are terribly over-thinking a sci-fi movie. |
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| Dr. Noah | Feb 12 2007, 08:53 AM Post #36 |
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I always figured that the Genesis device created a star out of the nebula, and the Genesis planet is the same one that Regula I was oribiting around. The star was created from the nebula, and the Genesis wave also reached the planet. Franko quite efficiently explained the Chekov thing, the missing planet could possibly be explained by the fact that the system itself may be classified due to it being the resting place of Khan, and that the number of planets was not in the computer prior to their arrival. Also, if the number of planets was already in the computer, it could be reasoned that they assumed Ceti Alpha Six was on the other side of the solar system in it's regular orbit and beyond their scanning range, and therefore, not missing. But as 38 stated, that's overthinking it a bit. It's not that big a deal, and if you're really that concerned about it, there are ways of explaining it. It's not as if they created a planet of six sentient species somehow related but completely different genotypes, but I digress................... There are some mistakes in TWOK, but it's far too good a movie to get bogged down in minutae. Personally, I think that as a movie, Star Trek or no, science fiction or no, it's the best filmed of all the Trek movies. The soundtrack is perfect, the tension is excellent, the whole concept of Kirk having an arch-nemesis, one who is physically and intellectually more powerful than he or any regular human is fantastic. Now that said, I thought I'd throw in that there is one other small error in the script. The movie begins "In the 23rd Century" and Khan describes his escape from Earth in the year 1996, and states "on Earth, 200 years ago...." when obviously it was 300. But, given the guy has spent so much time in deep freeze, you can forgive him that. :lol: |
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| Fesarius | Feb 12 2007, 09:23 AM Post #37 |
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I think the greatest mistake in TWOK was leaving Judson Scott off of the credits.
True enough. I can explain just about everything that occurs in the Trek universe, even apparent contradictions. However, my explanations don't always convince others, but that really has no effect on whether or not I remain convinced. One thing I cannot explain is the rampant political correctness in DS9. I suppose it just had to occur, for whatever reasons. |
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| Hoss | Feb 12 2007, 09:56 AM Post #38 |
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Can you explain why all of the original cast movies begin with "The" and all of the next-gen cast movies don't? :lol: Certainly, in the Star Trek universe with all of the alternate reality, timeline changing events that occur, we can explain away anything. Noah points out the mathematics problem that kahn has, that always bugged me a little bit too. Also, Scotty's miraculous recovery in the engine room once it was too late and Spock was as good as dead. |
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| Fesarius | Feb 12 2007, 10:48 AM Post #39 |
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I could, if it were true. It doesn't hold for Generations or for The First Contact.
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| Sam The Smuggler | Feb 12 2007, 12:20 PM Post #40 |
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You're not making any sense at all. Anyway..I just wanted to nitpick at it and see what everyone else thought.
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| Fesarius | Feb 12 2007, 01:41 PM Post #41 |
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^^^ Thank you.
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| Sam The Smuggler | Feb 12 2007, 02:02 PM Post #42 |
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I guess you mean to say that Generations is a TOS/TNG film. I think of it as more of a TNG film with TOS guest Stars. So we have The Motion Picture The Wrath of Khan The Search for Spock The Voyage Home The Final Frontier The Undiscovered Country and Generations First Contact Insurrection Nemesis |
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| Hoss | Feb 12 2007, 03:27 PM Post #43 |
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I consider Generations a next-gen film as we have mainly just Captain Kirk and a brief comic relief with Scotty and Chekov. Maybe B&B just don't like the most commonly used word in the English language. |
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| Fesarius | Feb 12 2007, 05:10 PM Post #44 |
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Hoss, When you get a chance, please take the time to translate some of my posts for Sam. Thanks a bunch. The Insurrection
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| Sam The Smuggler | Feb 12 2007, 06:08 PM Post #45 |
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Stop that! :lol:
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IMagine. People questioning the greatness of TWOK.


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