Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
I wonder; Seinfeld
Topic Started: Nov 29 2006, 01:14 PM (306 Views)
24thcenstfan
Member Avatar
Something Wicked This Fae Comes
rowskid86
Nov 29 2006, 05:10 PM
maybe he was wrong to do it, but the hecklers were wrong too. they should haev the attention cracking down on them too.

the term cracker comes from way back, refering to the people who crack whips at slaves. hence crackers.



Quote:
 
Is it a double standard when a black person calls another black person the "N" word, but white people can't? Somewhat. They do have different connotations depending on who says the word though.



they probally mean friend and hommie other ebonic crap. everyone else uses it as they way it should be, meaning Ignorant person. meaning any ignorant person of any color

I don’t know where you got that from, but “crackers” was a word mainly used by white Americans to describe other white Americans as poor white trash. It has since been used by blacks as a mildly derogatory saying (a cracker is white). It has nothing to do with the cracking of the whip.

Now the “N” word does have its roots in slavery. Whites called slaves “Ns”. Whites called blacks “Ns” decades past slavery as a way to demean and treat black people as second class citizens. That is the baggage that a white person carries when they choose to use the “N” word whether they realize it or not.

When a black person calls another black person a "N" it is for a variety of reasons. Sometimes as an insult (e.g. calling a person ignorant), and other times as slang (homie...things like that). The word has become pervasive and the black community would be better off banishing it from their vocabulary.
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
Swidden
Member Avatar
Adm. Gadfly-at-large; Provisional wRench-fly at large
rowskid86
Nov 29 2006, 02:10 PM
maybe he was wrong to do it, but the hecklers were wrong too. they should haev the attention cracking down on them too.

the term cracker comes from way back, refering to the people who crack whips at slaves. hence crackers.



Quote:
 
Is it a double standard when a black person calls another black person the "N" word, but white people can't? Somewhat. They do have different connotations depending on who says the word though.



they probally mean friend and hommie other ebonic crap. everyone else uses it as they way it should be, meaning Ignorant person. meaning any ignorant person of any color

First, in case you are unaware of this, heckling comedians has been going since the first caveman got up in front of his other buddies while they were drawing stick figures on the walls. It is recognized as unappreciated but is also seen as going with the territory. If you listen to comics ever talk about it, being able to constructively deal with some idiot(s) in an audience is considered a badge of honor almost.

And, while this may come as a shock, yes the world is full of double standards. However, in this case the difference between what Chris Rock is doing when he does his rant is he is not singling out specific individuals in his audience! Richard Pryor used to do similar things. There is, oddly enough, a real difference when it is used as part of a performance. Ever see a clip of guest shot by Pryor on Saturday Night Live? He plays an guy in an interview and is asked to engage in a word association bit. The interviewer begins to use slang terms for African Americans. Pryor responds in like fashion. Finally after one word he replies "honky", the next word is the "N" word and his reply is "Dead honky!" It's a very funny sketch, but it does not actually call anyone anything specfic.

In the case of Michael Richards rant he did not just use the one word. Even if it was in response to to being called something himself. He made a number of references including to things like lynchings. You don't just have a case him being called something and calling the other guy something back. If that had been all it was, he might have an argument and a defense. Instead, he went for the jugular and now he is paying a price for it. It does not absolve the other guy from making his remark, but his being a well known figure makes him more of a lightning rod for it.

As far as those of African-American ancestry using the "N" word in conversation themselves, there are many in that community that consider it just as offensive no matter when or where it is used. While others view it as taking ownership of the word and lessening its power to insult/hurt. Personally, I agree that there is no good time or good way to use the word regardless of the ethnicity or pigmentation of the person who decides to utter the word in conversation/dialogue.
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
Hoss
Member Avatar
Don't make me use my bare hands on you.
I agree that the 'n' word is more than just ignorant person, it was/is used as a way of reducing a black person to a status less than white people, dehumanizing them as a way, I suppose, of rationalizing the terrible and unjust treatment.

I guess that I was more thinking that the hecklers actually made threats of bodily harm against Kramer and should be dealt with for that.

I bet Seinfeld really cringed when he heard about this. But hey, it isn't like that turkey needs anymore money. He is putting groceries on the table. He should probably pay Kramer to go some where out of the way and shut up.
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
Fesarius
Member Avatar
Admiral
Minuet,

Yes, I know. I was just informing some people that today wasn't the first time Richards was letting us know he was Jewish.

Quote:
 
He was really funny on Seinfeld. IMO, he was the funniest one in the ensemble.

Agreed. I believe he was even more outrageous on Fridays. The only 'straight' (humor-wise) person on that show was Melanie Chartoff.
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
rowskid86
Member Avatar
Suck my Spock
Quote:
 
I don’t know where you got that from, but “crackers” was a word mainly used by white Americans to describe other white Americans as poor white trash. It has since been used by blacks as a mildly derogatory saying (a cracker is white). It has nothing to do with the cracking of the whip.


re-read some histroy text's, and then say it has nothing to do with the cracking of a whip on the slave ships!

poor white trash is simply called white trash thats all. or trailer trash. don't know where you get all this from. but hey you believe what you want to believe
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
24thcenstfan
Member Avatar
Something Wicked This Fae Comes
rowskid86
Nov 29 2006, 06:05 PM
Quote:
 
I don’t know where you got that from, but “crackers” was a word mainly used by white Americans to describe other white Americans as poor white trash. It has since been used by blacks as a mildly derogatory saying (a cracker is white). It has nothing to do with the cracking of the whip.


re-read some histroy text's, and then say it has nothing to do with the cracking of a whip on the slave ships!

poor white trash is simply called white trash thats all. or trailer trash. don't know where you get all this from. but hey you believe what you want to believe

Since you chose to display such insulting attitude (as usual), I decided to go and find proof of my position. What I found was proof of both of our positions. LINK and LINK
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
Admiralbill_gomec
UberAdmiral
rowskid86
Nov 29 2006, 05:05 PM
Quote:
 
I don’t know where you got that from, but “crackers” was a word mainly used by white Americans to describe other white Americans as poor white trash. It has since been used by blacks as a mildly derogatory saying (a cracker is white). It has nothing to do with the cracking of the whip.


re-read some histroy text's, and then say it has nothing to do with the cracking of a whip on the slave ships!

poor white trash is simply called white trash thats all. or trailer trash. don't know where you get all this from. but hey you believe what you want to believe

Cracker is a derogatory name for caucasian members of the lower socioeconomic classes living in rural Georgia, often inbred.

Reference: Deliverance

I remember driving to the "Jimmy Carter Memorial Submarine Base" (as it was called in unofficial naval parlance) back in the 80s, driving past a POS full of these types and having Burt Reynolds' line pop back into my head, "Know what they are? They're crackers."
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
Minuet
Member Avatar
Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
Fesarius
Nov 29 2006, 05:55 PM
Minuet,

Yes, I know. I was just informing some people that today wasn't the first time Richards was letting us know he was Jewish.

Quote:
 
He was really funny on Seinfeld. IMO, he was the funniest one in the ensemble.

Agreed. I believe he was even more outrageous on Fridays. The only 'straight' (humor-wise) person on that show was Melanie Chartoff.

My comments were for everyone - not just you. I quoted you because you mentioned his Jewishness. A lot of people (a lot of Jewish people ;) ) just cannot fathom how a member of a minority could ever be considered racist. A racist Jew? NO WAY :o

Rowskid is right in that Blacks who make racist comments often get away with it for this very reason. However I just don't think that Richards should be let off the hook because of that double standard. He is still the one in the public eye. The one people would be looking up to and expecting better from.
Offline | Profile | Quote | ^
 
« Previous Topic · Ten Forward · Next Topic »
Add Reply

Tweet
comments powered by Disqus