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The Philosophy of Lennon and McCartney
Topic Started: Sep 5 2005, 10:44 AM (845 Views)
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Thanks Fes. I still do not understand the hysteria. I cannot recall seeing anything like that anywhere.
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Neither do I. Nor can I explain it.
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Cos it only exists for those that were teens in the moment.

The same can be said for those that were teens at the height of Abba, Michael Jackson, Madonna, GnR, Nirvana whose respective fans will always be loyal to that time.


As for the Beatles, i particualrly dont understand hanging on to their early stuff, songs like Love Me do are the stuff of Boy Band pop.
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Cos it only exists for those that were teens in the moment.

That statement is untrue. You have missed the point of Who's question. But it doesn't matter. ;)

N.B.: If you are interested in knowing more about it, please read what numerous musicologists--none of them teens--said about the phenomenon ca. 1963-64.
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As for the Beatles, i particualrly dont understand hanging on to their early stuff, songs like Love Me do are the stuff of Boy Band pop.

CP,

You don't understand the Beatles, nor have you made any effort to do so. You make the same uninformed statements about them post after post. I don't know why you even participate in a discussion on the group. It would be like me criticizing VOY, yet having no foundation on which to base such criticism.

Re: Love Me Do--

Again, instead of making uninformed statements about the music, why not attempt to study the subject. You would find that that song is filled with melodic and modal ambiguities as well as other intricacies that have filled the pages of scholarly works.
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Sep 16 2005, 11:38 AM
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Cos it only exists for those that were teens in the moment.

That statement is untrue. You have missed the point of Who's question. But it doesn't matter. ;)

It's totally correct.

Otherwise you would have fans born after that time that rate the Beatles as their favourite band, this does not happen
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No, you're wrong. It does happen. I know teens that love the group, and rate the group as the best ever. But they are educated musically. Just because it is beyond your experience does not mean that it has not occurred. I don't mind if you hate the group, but I do mind unintelligent statements made about them when you obviously know very little about which you speak. We had better just agree to disagree on this, because as I've said numerous times, you and I do not have a common frame of reference with which to discuss this subject.
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Sep 16 2005, 11:49 AM
It does happen. I know teens that love the group, and rate the group as the best ever.

Oh Puhhhhl-eeeese!
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And I know college students that choose to do reports on them every semester. I ask them why, and almost always the response is because of the quality of the material. But again, I'm talking about those who know the music (i.e., these are students of music). This is why it is not surprising to me. :)
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Sep 16 2005, 12:49 PM
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No, you're wrong. It does happen. I know teens that love the group, and rate the group as the best ever. But they are educated musically. Just because it is beyond your experience does not mean that it has not occurred. I don't mind if you hate the group, but I do mind unintelligent statements made about them when you obviously know very little about which you speak. We had better just agree to disagree on this, because as I've said numerous times, you and I do not have a common frame of reference with which to discuss this subject.

I don’t know, Fes not to sound rude but you seem to be making an “opinion” is “fact” statement here. I tend to be on board with CPA, now don’t get me wrong I like the Beatles they have made good music and I of coarse rank them high on the list of best “musicians ever” but I tend to believe that the level of following has more to do with the times they lived more so then their music.
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Scotty,

You're not being rude. And, I am not stating an opinion as fact. I have worked in the university setting for over twenty years. Every year, students want to work on this group for their research projects. They are given a list of thirty to thirty-five groups (spanning forty years), and the Beatles always have the most papers written on them--by choice. It is not an 'opinion' of mine when they state what their favorite group is year in and year out either. This is why they are doing the papers on them. But it is wrong to say 'Cos it only exists for those that were teens in the moment.' That's ridiculous, and inaccurate.
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Scotty,

BTW, I do not assign these papers--LOL. I just thought of how that could be interpreted. However, I do provide the materials that about six or seven instructors need for their music classes.

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... but I tend to believe that the level of following has more to do with the times they lived more so then their music.

This is where the test of time comes in, and it is something we can't get a grasp on until more time has passed. But, some of the facts (short-term) are that they had four no. 1 albums in the 1990s, had the top-selling album of the year 2000, and are mentioned and scrutinized (as good music ought to be) in scholarly publications worldwide. Something to think about. ;)
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Well, I'm not going to go up against Fes on the music side of things, as I do have no idea.

Then again I dont need to know what a bass clef is to know I like a song.


I will comment on what I do know, that while the music might be super-dooper, in regards to the Beatles early stuff, it was coupled with some pretty basic and sometimes just downright silly lyrics
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Sep 16 2005, 01:14 PM
Scotty,

You're not being rude. And, I am not stating an opinion as fact. I have worked in the university setting for over twenty years. Every year, students want to work on this group for their research projects. They are given a list of thirty to thirty-five groups (spanning forty years), and the Beatles always have the most papers written on them--by choice. It is not an 'opinion' of mine when they state what their favorite group is year in and year out either. This is why they are doing the papers on them. But it is wrong to say 'Cos it only exists for those that were teens in the moment.' That's ridiculous, and inaccurate.

I am sorry I didn’t quote right, I read most of your posts in a row and only quitted the last one. I was not questioning your stories about your students I am sure you are telling the truth about them.

I was questioning the idea that it was the Beatles music (although good) that has lead to them becoming such an icon, and I agree more with CPA that their fame has more to do with the “movement” then their talent.

Your argument is based around ones ability to understand music on a scholarly level, well most of us now and then do/did not have that understanding, so you can not prop them up with that argument.
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I was questioning the idea that it was the Beatles music (although good) that has lead to them becoming such an icon, and I agree more with CPA that their fame has more to do with the “movement” then their talent.

Scotty,

I disagree. But we need not agree with one another. :)

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Then again I dont need to know what a bass clef is to know I like a song.

Agreed. As I've said before, personal taste is very subjective.

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... it was coupled with some pretty basic and sometimes just downright silly lyrics

Agreed. But I have yet to see lyrics in pop music that are anything but this. ;)
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