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| Do you believe in hell?; Please read below. | |
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| psyfi | Aug 20 2005, 02:23 PM Post #76 |
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Not so astonishing at all given quantum theory. We already know that our perceptions can be quite deviant from what is actually occurring. For example, it seems, just based on perceptions, a sure bet that the sun "rises" in the east and "sets" in the West. But that isn't what is going on at all. Based on walking down the street, one would swear that the earth seems flat as a pancake but that also isn't the case. |
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| ~Luthien~ | Aug 20 2005, 02:36 PM Post #77 |
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Ah I see,cuz ive made some bad choices in life i mean i still do and well hell is scary so i was afraid i might not go to heaven bcuz i made bad choices that i did regret btw. |
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| who | Aug 20 2005, 03:33 PM Post #78 |
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I do not belief in hell in the usual sense. I believe we are in it when we do not perceive our unity with God. I do not believe that we are help captive by the past. We can always choose again. |
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| Fesarius | Aug 20 2005, 03:34 PM Post #79 |
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^^^ But Luthien, if you don't get to heaven, who will dance for us?
Psyfi, Of course, this assumes one understands quantum theory. I'm a bit rusty in that area. Seriously, I read a book years ago--I think The Dancing Wahtuli Masters was the title, but I may be getting it mixed up with If You See Buddha In the Road, Kill Him--which discussed predicting events based on knowing where a quantum particle was going to be at a given point in time. I know also that I have not spelled the word 'Wahtuli' correctly. It was about twenty-five years ago when I read the book.
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| psyfi | Aug 20 2005, 04:16 PM Post #80 |
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I only have a layman's understanding of these things but I just finished watching the three hour NOVA documentary "The Elegant Universe" for the second time. I just find what I understand of this sooooo fascinating. If you are interested, you can find some wonderful and understandable info at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/ |
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| psyfi | Aug 20 2005, 04:19 PM Post #81 |
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Luthien, don't you believe that if you have made Jesus Lord, all your sins, past, present and even future have been forgiven? |
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| iancook | Aug 20 2005, 07:58 PM Post #82 |
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Luthian, all sins can be forgiven, there is a little thing called repentance. If you truly repent of your sins, then thes sins will be wiped from the book of life. Acts 3: 19 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 8: 22 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. |
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| Fesarius | Aug 20 2005, 09:49 PM Post #83 |
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Psyfi, Thanks for the link. I recall a special on Nova years ago which asserted that all of humankind had descended from one set of parents. And that too was fascinating.
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| psyfi | Aug 21 2005, 01:26 AM Post #84 |
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I believe I saw that special also. It was amazing! |
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| ~Luthien~ | Aug 21 2005, 05:25 AM Post #85 |
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I do believe that but since i have deep mental problems i aint exactly the perfect christian and well one does get scared,i mean don't u ever worry about going to heaven or not? |
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| psyfi | Aug 21 2005, 07:46 AM Post #86 |
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Oh I am far, far removed from being the perfect Christian myself but the bible teaches Salvation not by our own works but by grace. Nobody, not one, earns Salvation. My understanding of what the bible teaches is that Salvation is a gift freely given and purchased by Jesus. Isaiah 53:5 states "But He was wounded (pierced) for our transgressions, he was bruised (crushed, punished) for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. " This is in reference to our transgressions and sins being removed at the cross. Now this is either true or it is not true and to be a Christian is to believe that it is true no matter what. I think the call is to believe The Word of God and not our own doubts. In fact, I believe that when the bible states in Romans 12:2, "Don't be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what is the good, well-pleasing, and perfect will of God," part of that transformation of the mind is letting go of our doubts and unbelief and believing that our sins are indeed forgiven. |
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| ~Luthien~ | Aug 21 2005, 07:48 AM Post #87 |
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^^^ Well i do believe that and I believe what it says in the Bible. |
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| psyfi | Aug 21 2005, 08:12 AM Post #88 |
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Now what you have just written is exactly what to tell yourself when the spirit of doubt comes over you. You are indeed forgiven wholly, totally, completely. |
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| captain_proton_au | Aug 21 2005, 09:16 AM Post #89 |
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As no one can tell me what Hell is, or when God told us what hell is or what God told us we have to do to get there..... I dont know if I believe in Hell as I have no idea what the hell (;)) it is |
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| Yo-Yo | Aug 21 2005, 11:14 AM Post #90 |
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I voted yes when in retrospect i should have voted 'other' In Judiasm hell is not an eternal torture. I think that is more of a christian view. In Judiasm hell is a purification of the soul. A soul that has been tainted by sin goes through the fires of hell (though fire and all that is not a liter idea) and is clean of sin beofre being sent to heaven. Rabbi Chiam of Luzatto in the 16 century wrote a book called "The way of G-d" which eloquintly explains the idea of heaven and hell: The soul is a pure spiritual essence which strives towards perfection. As what is perfect is good. And G-d is perfect so g-d is the ultimate good, and g-d's laws are the doings of good deeds. Each good deed makes us a better person and is ergo (i always wanted to say that word) making our sole more perfect nad therefore closer to g-d. To sin does the exact opposite as it removed prefection and good from us and distances us from g-d. When we die our soal has acheived a 'level' of closeness to g-d. After leaving our 'mortal coil' which confused and clouds truth we see things with perfect clarity. Our soul realises the ultimate "bliss" is being close to g-d and realises how much closer it could have been have it not sinned. THis realisation cause the soul unimaginable pain logically porportionate to the 'distance' the soul is from g-d. THat is hell though it is not eternal but cleansing. Base on the judgement of g-d you may have sinned to much to be sufficiently cleasned and therefore after some time on hell the soul is sent back to relive life inorder to try and achieve a closer conenction to g-d by doing more good. THat is one of the reasons this worl is so important. Though the joy is in the next we get our merit by working towards g-d in this one. |
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