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| Fesarius | Aug 19 2005, 03:57 PM Post #46 |
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^^^ I was just going to answer 'because he's da man.' Is the usage insufficient? |
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| gvok | Aug 19 2005, 03:57 PM Post #47 |
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For no particular reason. If you'd rather not say, I respect that. Actually, I guess because I am a Catholic who has not been exposed too much to Protestant Christianity (or non-Catholic Christianity if you like) I am interested in the differences between the two. I've read up on the history but I don't really have an actual feel for the belief. |
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| Fesarius | Aug 19 2005, 03:59 PM Post #48 |
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^^^ I see. I do not believe in salvation by works at all. I do, however, believe in grace.
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| gvok | Aug 19 2005, 04:00 PM Post #49 |
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Do you mind if I ask additional questions? |
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| ImpulseEngine | Aug 19 2005, 04:05 PM Post #50 |
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By some definitions of agnosticism I see what you are saying. But there are varying defninitions. One that I have heard is along the lines of "I don't know whether there is a God or not and I really don't care". To be faithless essentially amounts to that. If you're not going to actively decide "I believe" or "I don't believe" then it amounts to "I don't care" because it's not important enough to spend the effort and time on coming to a decision. |
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| who | Aug 19 2005, 05:46 PM Post #51 |
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Thanks for the tip on how you do this. It is extra work.
In regards to Heaven I will just run a few of my beliefs by you. God wants everyone to enjoy Heaven. Part of the nature of Heaven is that there is no fear and no anger. If we have thoughts of fear or anger (conscious or sub-conscious) we cannot be aware of Heaven. It is our choice to have thoughts of fear and anger which prevent our awareness of Heaven. Thus, it is not God's choice for us not to be in Heaven but our own. |
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| psyfi | Aug 19 2005, 06:09 PM Post #52 |
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I take this passage literally and do believe that, in the long run, in the final analysis, and when all is said and done, God's Will shall be seen not to have been undone even though we might believe that it has. This is because I also take literally the bible passage that tells us Adam went to sleep and no where does it say he awakened. |
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| psyfi | Aug 19 2005, 06:12 PM Post #53 |
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Perhaps all God decides is that we may enter in and are welcome but leaves the decision about when and how to enter in up to us? |
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| Dandandat | Aug 19 2005, 07:01 PM Post #54 |
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Anger I can see being a choice, or at lest letting anger get the better of you. But fear, I just can’t see it, fear is a natural reaction to specific stimuli caused by hormones and other chemicals in the body when danger is preserved. If a lion, for example, is bearing down on me, fear is absolutely not a choice I am partaking in it is a natural defense mechanism my body undergoes to keep it’s self as safe as possible. |
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| psyfi | Aug 19 2005, 07:26 PM Post #55 |
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What if there was an invisible force field between you and the lion and you were absolutely sure that you could not be hurt? Would you still feel afraid? We live in fear in this world because we do not have totally and unwavering confidence and knowledge of the fact that we walk in Divine Protection. In fact, we are rather convinced that we do not walk in Divine Protection, so much so that we never even ask ourselves whether it may just be possible to be protected in this way; and even if we do ask, we usually dismiss the question and don't think to set out on an open-minded journey to see if it might be so. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Aug 19 2005, 07:40 PM Post #56 |
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Ok, first off this doesn't sound like the traditional Christian perspective. Also, I thought the subject was about hell or the denial of entrance into heaven. It was from that discussion that I thought we were talking about whether God sends you to hell or prevents you from entering heaven. And it was from that perspective that I was suggesting that, if heaven and hell exist at all, God would have to be the decision-maker. Now, if you're talking about something else, the sky is the limit as to what's possible. You're suggestion is a reasonable possibility. Within that scenerio one possibility is that we deny ourselves entry into heaven - but only temporarily - until we learn to put our fear and anger behind us. However, another possibility is that God still makes the decision. In that scenerio, God is responsible for the requirement of absence of fear and anger. It was God's decision to create it that way so it's God's decision to deny someone entrance to heaven on that basis. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Aug 19 2005, 07:43 PM Post #57 |
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That's a reasonable possibility as a separate idea, but I don't think it fits with the concept of hell. If there is a hell, supposedly you go there for eternity. Whether hell is fire and brimstone or simply being outside heaven, I've never heard of anyone saying there is any choice about when to leave and step into heaven. |
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| who | Aug 19 2005, 08:21 PM Post #58 |
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This is just a small part. I am writing of an entirely different way of thinking, a paradigm shift much larger than the shift from thinking the earth was flat to not flat. One of the greatest spiritual questions is, "Who are you?" What do you think you are? |
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| who | Aug 19 2005, 08:36 PM Post #59 |
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The perspective is still Christian and includes the traditional. It is a much greater scope of understanding. You are right in that we are getting off topic in that this started with the usual view of hell. A new thread? Heaven could not be Heaven with fear and anger. It is a place of perfect peace, perfect love, and joy far beyond that found in our worlds. Fear and anger do not belong there. It is our choice. I have spent a long time, like many, going down different paths. I have read many books, been with many teachers, and had many spiritual experiences. I mentioned a number of books that I have read somewhat recently. They each provide a glimpse. The only book that explains it to and beyond my current limit of understanding is "A Course in Miracles". |
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| who | Aug 19 2005, 08:37 PM Post #60 |
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You just have. |
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