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U.S. Lowers Sights On What Can Be Achieved in Iraq
Topic Started: Aug 15 2005, 11:21 AM (288 Views)
gvok
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So in your world, the amount of life lost and property destroyed by the insurgency is just an illusion? You are the one with your hands over your ears.
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It is my perception that for awhile the terrorists turned their attention to their fellow Muslims instead of the US military. I think they realized this did not help their cause and have now turned their attention back to killing Americans. I suspect part of this is because of the protest against the war in America. By killing Americans they are hoping to win on the psychological front in the US.
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24thcenstfan
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Another conversation headed toward the crapper. Gentlemen, please keep it civil and cease with the personal comments and assumptions about what other people are thinking and doing. Just discuss the issue please.

Thank you.
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gvok
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Once again, thank you 24.
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Aug 15 2005, 01:25 PM
It is my perception that for awhile the terrorists turned their attention to their fellow Muslims instead of the US military. I think they realized this did not help their cause and have now turned their attention back to killing Americans. I suspect part of this is because of the protest against the war in America. By killing Americans they are hoping to win on the psychological front in the US.

I think that it is the US media that is almost single-handedly responsible for Americans losing faith in the war. The media is indeed reporting nothing but the bad news and doing so day after day after day. It is all about the insurgency (which let's face it is an example of bias right there since this insurgency includes tons of folks from other countries) and who they killed today. For every story of the progress being made in Iraq in terms of education, fixing the infrastructure, improving the lot of villages and so forth, you will get 500 stories of who was killed today. It scares people and makes them think that absolutely no progress is being made.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. My youngest daughter always watches a program called "Dinner For Five" on IFC. It is mostly just Hollywood people sitting around talking about various things. Often, their politics are to the left but it is not a political show persay. However, in one episode they featured Michael De Luca, Luis Guzman, Michael Chiklis, and Henry Rollins. They got to talking about Iraq and Henry Rollins mentioned that he goes to both Iraq and Afghanistan several times a year with the USO. Everybody was amazed and couldn't understand why he would even want to do that. However, he told them it was great to go because of the wonderful things the soldiers are doing including literacy programs, building schools, medical stuff and so forth. They could hardly believe him. They were astounded. By the time the show was over they were all talking about signing up to go to these countries with the USO.

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Well , the deadline was not met and the "Iraqi Govt" is to talk about it for another week.

Looks like a quagmire to me. And why would it be so bad if Iraq split up ?
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Aug 15 2005, 09:42 PM
Well , the deadline was not met and the "Iraqi Govt" is to talk about it for another week.

Looks like a quagmire to me. And why would it be so bad if Iraq split up ?

I suppose it would not be the end of the world if Iraq split. We would see a civil war as the Sunnis (?) would be cut off from Iraq's oil. The Shites (?) could become aligned with Iran.
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Aug 16 2005, 01:15 PM
somerled
Aug 15 2005, 09:42 PM
Well , the deadline was not met and the "Iraqi Govt" is to talk about it for another week.

Looks like a quagmire to me. And why would it be so bad if Iraq split up ?

I suppose it would not be the end of the world if Iraq split. We would see a civil war as the Sunnis (?) would be cut off from Iraq's oil. The Shites (?) could become aligned with Iran.

Tough luck for the Sunnis.

So what if the Iraqis grew closer to people the USA doesn't like. What business is it of the USA's ?

Guess Turkey would be very unhappy about the Kurds getting independence too.
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Aug 15 2005, 08:42 PM
Well , the deadline was not met and the "Iraqi Govt" is to talk about it for another week.

Looks like a quagmire to me. And why would it be so bad if Iraq split up ?

Everything looks like a quagmire to you. You said the same thing during the January elections.
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gvok
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It is silly to say that the quagmire in Iraq is the result of the American media. It is the fault of the Bush Administration that FAILED to (1) send enough troops to complete the mission, (2) sufficiently fund the mission and (3) properly plan the mission.
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24thcenstfan
Aug 15 2005, 06:26 PM
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Another conversation headed toward the crapper. Gentlemen, please keep it civil and cease with the personal comments and assumptions about what other people are thinking and doing. Just discuss the issue please.

Thank you.

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Looks to me as if some people failed to realize that word "gentlemen" is plural and, as a result, ignored 24's comments.

For the time being, I'm closing it. If the moderators feel it can be discussed civilily at a later time, then I don't oppose reopening the conversation.
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