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Wahabi Islam in America
Topic Started: Aug 6 2005, 11:03 PM (331 Views)
Mainiac
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It would be against everything this country stands for to proscribe an entire sect, but that does not give them free license to advocate violence. If they cross that line, they should be prepared for the legal consequences - as individuals.
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24thcenstfan
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No, it should not be banned. However, if a Cleric/Madrassa encourages or teaches violence, then they should as already mentioned be prepared to face the legal consequences of their actions.
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Dandandat
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Time to put something here
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 01:12 PM
Dandandat
Aug 7 2005, 08:25 AM
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 03:01 AM
I believe Stalin was a Communist ( The Lenon Type) First.

What does that even mean? Because you don't like what Stalin did you are going to push him out of your group? Well if you are going to push all violently criminal atheists out of your group then I guess you can say no atheist has done anything like this, but then again that would be an empty idea wouldn’t it.


Quite the contrary Dan. I am not trying to push Stalin out of a group. I am saying that a central tenant of lennon's communism is the suppression of religion.

And since that is true, than we could say that every leader who ever was the leader of the USSR was an Atheist, not, necessarily by choice but by a function of the goverment.

Just as every president of the US, identifies with some religion, when he may not be. But it serves a function. And I know you recognize this argument, because whenever I state that every president of the US has a stated religion, people here say yes, but that doesn't mean was was a practicing 'whatever' and he was really an Atheist..

I don’t know why that excuses Stalin form being an Atheist, and Atheist that has committed the types of acts we are talking about here. It seems you just can’t face it that Atheists are just human like every one else and that the group has their fanatical members too. For whatever reason Stalin was an Atheist, he was still an atheist and he commit acts far worse then Osama Bin Laden has ever committed.
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somerled
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Dandandat
Aug 8 2005, 01:03 PM
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 01:12 PM
Dandandat
Aug 7 2005, 08:25 AM
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 03:01 AM
I believe Stalin was a Communist ( The Lenon Type) First.

What does that even mean? Because you don't like what Stalin did you are going to push him out of your group? Well if you are going to push all violently criminal atheists out of your group then I guess you can say no atheist has done anything like this, but then again that would be an empty idea wouldn’t it.


Quite the contrary Dan. I am not trying to push Stalin out of a group. I am saying that a central tenant of lennon's communism is the suppression of religion.

And since that is true, than we could say that every leader who ever was the leader of the USSR was an Atheist, not, necessarily by choice but by a function of the goverment.

Just as every president of the US, identifies with some religion, when he may not be. But it serves a function. And I know you recognize this argument, because whenever I state that every president of the US has a stated religion, people here say yes, but that doesn't mean was was a practicing 'whatever' and he was really an Atheist..

I don’t know why that excuses Stalin form being an Atheist, and Atheist that has committed the types of acts we are talking about here. It seems you just can’t face it that Atheists are just human like every one else and that the group has their fanatical members too. For whatever reason Stalin was an Atheist, he was still an atheist and he commit acts far worse then Osama Bin Laden has ever committed.

I think you are confused - Stalin did what he did because he was paranoid and possibly a psychopath , not because he was an athiest.

His athiesm had diddly to do with his actions apart from perhaps getting rid of churches and priests.
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psyfi
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somerled
Aug 8 2005, 01:15 AM
Dandandat
Aug 8 2005, 01:03 PM
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 01:12 PM
Dandandat
Aug 7 2005, 08:25 AM
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 03:01 AM
I believe Stalin was a Communist ( The Lenon Type) First.

What does that even mean? Because you don't like what Stalin did you are going to push him out of your group? Well if you are going to push all violently criminal atheists out of your group then I guess you can say no atheist has done anything like this, but then again that would be an empty idea wouldn’t it.


Quite the contrary Dan. I am not trying to push Stalin out of a group. I am saying that a central tenant of lennon's communism is the suppression of religion.

And since that is true, than we could say that every leader who ever was the leader of the USSR was an Atheist, not, necessarily by choice but by a function of the goverment.

Just as every president of the US, identifies with some religion, when he may not be. But it serves a function. And I know you recognize this argument, because whenever I state that every president of the US has a stated religion, people here say yes, but that doesn't mean was was a practicing 'whatever' and he was really an Atheist..

I don’t know why that excuses Stalin form being an Atheist, and Atheist that has committed the types of acts we are talking about here. It seems you just can’t face it that Atheists are just human like every one else and that the group has their fanatical members too. For whatever reason Stalin was an Atheist, he was still an atheist and he commit acts far worse then Osama Bin Laden has ever committed.

I think you are confused - Stalin did what he did because he was paranoid and possibly a psychopath , not because he was an athiest.

His athiesm had diddly to do with his actions apart from perhaps getting rid of churches and priests.

His way of thinking is what made him do it. In his case it was paranoia. In the case of the Radical Islamics, it is fanaticism. In both cases, it is mental illness with a homicidal bent. The belief in God or the belief in No-God doesn't really enter into it.
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Dandandat
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Time to put something here
somerled
Aug 8 2005, 02:15 AM
Dandandat
Aug 8 2005, 01:03 PM
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 01:12 PM
Dandandat
Aug 7 2005, 08:25 AM
Twilight
Aug 7 2005, 03:01 AM
I believe Stalin was a Communist ( The Lenon Type) First.

What does that even mean? Because you don't like what Stalin did you are going to push him out of your group? Well if you are going to push all violently criminal atheists out of your group then I guess you can say no atheist has done anything like this, but then again that would be an empty idea wouldn’t it.


Quite the contrary Dan. I am not trying to push Stalin out of a group. I am saying that a central tenant of lennon's communism is the suppression of religion.

And since that is true, than we could say that every leader who ever was the leader of the USSR was an Atheist, not, necessarily by choice but by a function of the goverment.

Just as every president of the US, identifies with some religion, when he may not be. But it serves a function. And I know you recognize this argument, because whenever I state that every president of the US has a stated religion, people here say yes, but that doesn't mean was was a practicing 'whatever' and he was really an Atheist..

I don’t know why that excuses Stalin form being an Atheist, and Atheist that has committed the types of acts we are talking about here. It seems you just can’t face it that Atheists are just human like every one else and that the group has their fanatical members too. For whatever reason Stalin was an Atheist, he was still an atheist and he commit acts far worse then Osama Bin Laden has ever committed.

I think you are confused - Stalin did what he did because he was paranoid and possibly a psychopath , not because he was an athiest.

His athiesm had diddly to do with his actions apart from perhaps getting rid of churches and priests.

As always I think it is you who is confused, I was not blaming atheism for what he did. I was rebutting Twilight's claim that he had never heard of an atheist who commit crimes on par with the crimes committed by religious fanatics. He most certainly has heard of Atheists who have committed crimes on par if not far worse then any religious fanatic today.
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