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| Death/Casualty Report for Iraq; Because you won't find it in the news | |
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 4 2005, 08:31 AM Post #1 |
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http://icasualties.org/oif/ Military Fatalities: By Time Period News Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days 4 389 7 16 412 2.22 186 3 579 26 27 632 2.93 216 2 718 27 58 803 1.89 424 1 140 33 0 173 4.02 43 Total 1826 93 101 2020 2.32 869 To View Period Details Click The Period Number Time Periods Defined 2005: Iraqi Police and Guardsmen Deaths Latest Coalition Fatality: Aug 03, 2005 U.S. Military Fatalities in Iraq: A Two-Year Retrospective by Glenn Kutler Military Fatalities: By Month Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days 8-2005 27 0 0 27 6.75 4 7-2005 54 3 1 58 1.87 31 6-2005 78 1 4 83 2.77 30 5-2005 80 2 6 88 2.84 31 4-2005 52 0 0 52 1.73 30 3-2005 36 1 3 40 1.29 31 2-2005 58 0 2 60 2.14 28 1-2005 107 10 10 127 4.1 31 12-2004 72 2 3 77 2.48 31 11-2004 137 4 0 141 4.7 30 10-2004 63 2 2 67 2.16 31 9-2004 80 3 4 87 2.9 30 8-2004 66 4 5 75 2.42 31 7-2004 54 1 3 58 1.87 31 6-2004 42 1 7 50 1.67 30 5-2004 80 0 4 84 2.71 31 4-2004 135 0 5 140 4.67 30 3-2004 52 0 0 52 1.68 31 2-2004 20 1 2 23 0.79 29 1-2004 47 5 0 52 1.68 31 12-2003 40 0 8 48 1.55 31 11-2003 82 1 27 110 3.67 30 10-2003 44 1 2 47 1.52 31 9-2003 31 1 1 33 1.1 30 8-2003 35 6 2 43 1.39 31 7-2003 48 1 0 49 1.58 31 6-2003 30 6 0 36 1.2 30 5-2003 37 4 0 41 1.32 31 4-2003 74 6 0 80 2.67 30 3-2003 65 27 0 92 7.67 12 Total 1826 93 101 2020 2.32 869 To View Period Details Click The Period Number Missing or Captured: 1 Soldier is listed as Captured View Fatality Names and Details Fatality Metrics U.S. Fatalities with DOD Links Casualties Trends Since Fall of Baghdad U.S. Fatalities City Map U.S. Fatalities By Month U.S. Fatalities State Map U.S. Fatalities By State Coalition Deaths By Province Map Hostile/NonHostile Timeline Coalition Fatalities By Location Across Time *Other Coalition Countries: Country Total Bulgaria 13 Denmark 1 El Salvador 2 Estonia 2 Hungary 1 Italy 27 Kazakhstan 1 Latvia 1 Netherlands 2 Poland 17 Slovakia 3 Spain 11 Thailand 2 Ukraine 18 Non Military Deaths: Journalists Killed in Iraq An Incomplete List of Contractors Killed in Iraq Iraqi Body Count (External Link) The Wounded: US Military as reported after 4/3 Period Wnd-RTD Wounded 19-Mar-03 thru 03-Apr-03 115 426 04-Apr-03 thru 02-Apr-04 963 1484 03-Apr-04 thru 09-Apr-04 59 222 10-Apr-04 thru 16-Apr-04 119 242 17-Apr-04 thru 23-Apr-04 138 96 24-Apr-04 thru 03-May-04 193 76 04-May-04 thru 11-May-04 82 116 12-May-04 thru 18-May-04 100 93 19-May-04 thru 24-May-04 73 85 25-May-04 thru 31-May-04 86 114 01-Jun-04 thru 09-Jun-04 121 10 10-Jun-04 thru 16-Jun-04 71 54 17-Jun-04 thru 22-Jun-04 79 54 23-Jun-04 thru 29-Jun-04 64 59 30-Jun-04 thru 20-Jul-04 209 201 21-Jul-04 thru 03-Aug-04 183 100 04-Aug-04 thru 11-Aug-04 56 133 12-Aug-04 thru 17-Aug-04 129 92 18-Aug-04 thru 24-Aug-04 152 41 25-Aug-04 thru 31-Aug-04 84 142 01-Sep-04 thru 07-Sep-04 114 -4 08-Sep-04 thru 14-Sep-04 81 138 15-Sep-04 thru 21-Sep-04 116 52 22-Sep-04 thru 28-Sep-04 62 57 29-Sep-04 thru 05-Oct-04 87 111 06-Oct-04 thru 12-Oct-04 86 46 13-Oct-04 thru 19-Oct-04 90 64 20-Oct-04 thru 26-Oct-04 77 57 27-Oct-04 thru 03-Nov-04 60 77 04-Nov-04 thru 09-Nov-04 83 88 10-Nov-04 thru 16-Nov-04 120 378 17-Nov-04 thru 23-Nov-04 267 103 24-Nov-04 thru 30-Nov-04 184 42 01-Dec-04 thru 07-Dec-04 62 152 08-Dec-04 thru 14-Dec-04 50 28 15-Dec-04 thru 22-Dec-04 65 72 23-Dec-04 thru 04-Jan-05 176 95 05-Jan-05 thru 11-Jan-05 67 53 12-Jan-05 thru 18-Jan-05 36 94 19-Jan-05 thru 25-Jan-05 106 14 26-Jan-05 thru 01-Feb-05 86 62 02-Feb-05 thru 08-Feb-05 39 62 09-Feb-05 thru 15-Feb-05 53 44 16-Feb-05 thru 22-Feb-05 69 32 23-Feb-05 thru 01-Mar-05 75 76 02-Mar-05 thru 08-Mar-05 31 34 09-Mar-05 thru 14-Mar-05 55 4 15-Mar-05 thru 22-Mar-05 83 43 23-Mar-05 thru 29-Mar-05 54 44 30-Mar-05 thru 05-Apr-05 35 61 06-Apr-05 thru 12-Apr-05 193 31 13-Apr-05 thru 19-Apr-05 132 2 20-Apr-05 thru 26-Apr-05 93 32 27-Apr-05 thru 03-May-05 65 31 04-May-05 thru 10-May-05 62 45 11-May-05 thru 17-May-05 63 103 18-May-05 thru 25-May-05 70 24 26-May-05 thru 31-May-05 72 80 01-Jun-05 thru 07-Jun-05 59 40 08-Jun-05 thru 14-Jun-05 0 35 15-Jun-05 thru 22-Jun-05 178 0 23-Jun-05 thru 29-Jun-05 76 40 30-Jun-05 thru 06-Jul-05 136 10 07-Jul-05 thru 12-Jul-05 60 42 13-Jul-05 thru 19-Jul-05 99 22 20-Jul-05 thru 26-Jul-05 86 12 27-Jul-05 thru 02-Aug-05 29 83 Total 7118 6651 Wnd-RTD: Wounded in Action Return to Duty within 72 hours Wnd: Wounded in Action Not Return to Duty within 72 hours Totals updated weekly by the DoD Some of The Wounded... Wounded In Action According to The DoD Period Wounded Jun-2005 367 May-2005 560 Apr-2005 591 Mar-2005 370 Feb-2005 410 Jan-2005 497 Dec-2004 540 Nov-2004 1424 Oct-2004 648 Sep-2004 706 Aug-2004 895 Jul-2004 552 Jun-2004 589 May-2004 757 Apr-2004 1213 Mar-2004 323 Feb-2004 150 Jan-2004 188 Dec-2003 261 Nov-2003 337 Oct-2003 413 Sep-2003 247 Aug-2003 181 Jul-2003 226 Jun-2003 147 May-2003 55 Apr-2003 340 Mar-2003 202 Total 13189 Last update from the DoD: 09-Jul-05 |
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| Wichita | Aug 4 2005, 08:44 AM Post #2 |
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Noah, your comments are blatantly false IMO. Everytime a coalition soldier is killed, it is reported in our paper. Everytime an Ohio soldier is killed, there is a special report in our paper. Everytime an Ohio soldier from our region is killed there is not only the original report, but a follow-up report on his funeral and, a short time later, a report on his/her family and how they are coping. And, as we experienced for the first time this past week, when a soldier from my community is killed, all those things happen plus a fund is created in the name of the soldier for his family. If you don't know about the number of casulities from the war, then you either don't read, you don't read the right papers or the papers that you read fail to provide a minimum of support to US troops/Coalition troops in the field. (I would say failing to acknowledge their deaths is failing to meet the minimum.) But the fact that you don't know about casualities doesn't mean that the rest of us don't know. We've seen their faces in our hometown papers. |
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 4 2005, 08:45 AM Post #3 |
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Casualties are not reported. |
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| Wichita | Aug 4 2005, 08:49 AM Post #4 |
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What bubble do you live in? There's a big wide world out there where - apparently - a lot happens that you don't know anything about. |
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 4 2005, 08:52 AM Post #5 |
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Ditto :rolleyes: |
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| Fesarius | Aug 4 2005, 08:52 AM Post #6 |
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Noah, Your response (and the evidence you have provided) is not very scientific. You can do better than that. |
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 4 2005, 08:53 AM Post #7 |
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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/1537224 Wednesday, November 10th, 2004 The Forgotten Casualties of War: Over 17,000 U.S. Troops Wounded Listen to Segment || Download Show mp3 Watch 128k stream Watch 256k stream Read Transcript Help Printer-friendly version Email to a friend Purchase Video/CD As President Bush visits wounded soldiers at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC, we take a look at what is rarely discussed in the corporate media: the thousands of U.S. soldiers wounded in the invasion and occupation of Iraq. [includes rush transcript] President Bush predicted victory in Fallujah and wished U.S. soldiers "Godspeed" in their mission as the bloody U.S. assault on the city entered its third day. His comments came during a visit of wounded soldiers at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC. It was Bush's sixth visit to wounded troops at the veteran hospital since he launched his so-called "war on terror" in late 2001. He spent two hours with soldiers recuperating from injuries suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush said "It's so uplifting to see their spirit, their drive to become rehabilitated, their love of their country, their support of the mission." While Bush was with the recuperating wounded, American casualties continued to mount. 10 U.S. troops have been killed in the bloody urban warfare in Fallujah. The total U.S. death toll in Iraq has surpassed 1,100. While the number of U.S. soldiers killed is widely reported, what is rarely mentioned is the many thousands more wounded. * Mark Benjamin, UPI Investigations editor. He has been closely following the hidden US casualties from the Iraq war. He was awarded the American Legion's top journalism award for 2004 for his reporting last year on the plight of hundreds of sick, wounded and injured soldiers at Fort Stewart, Ga. RUSH TRANSCRIPT This transcript is available free of charge, however donations help us provide closed captioning for the deaf and hard of hearing on our TV broadcast. Thank you for your generous contribution. Donate - $25, $50, $100, more... AMY GOODMAN: We are joined by Mark Benjamin. He is an investigations editor with UPI, who has closely followed the hidden U.S. casualties from the Iraq war. He won the American Legion's top journalism prize for 2004 for his reporting last year on the plight of hundreds of sick and wounded and injured soldiers at Ft. Stewart, Georgia, and their lack of care. Mark Benjamin, welcome to Democracy Now! MARK BENJAMIN: Thank you for having me. AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about the numbers, as you understand them today, of, not the dead, but the wounded? MARK BENJAMIN: Well, with respect to the wounded, the Pentagon does report a number that it says is the number of soldiers that are wounded in the war. I think we're running around 7,000 or 8,000 in Iraq. But what that number does not include is the number of soldiers who are wounded or ill, or injured in operations that are not directly due to the bullets and bombs of the insurgents. So, for example, as of mid-September, if you take actually Afghanistan and Iraq together, there were 17,000 soldiers who were injured or ill enough to be put on airplanes and flown out of theater, and none of those casualties, and I call them casualties because they fit the Pentagon's definition of casualties, none of those casualties appear on any public casualty lists. AMY GOODMAN: How do you get these figures, and why aren’t they being more reported? MARK BENJAMIN: You have to ask the right questions. If you go to the Pentagon, and you take their own definitions of casualties and ask you them the right questions, they will give you some answers. So, for example, the reason why I started asking questions is that I visited eight major military facilities around the country -- well, in the United States and Europe, and frankly, I just saw more soldiers that were hurt than seemed to be reflected in the Pentagon reports. They -- the Pentagon says, when I asked them what was on and not on their casualty lists, they said they weren't keeping track of the number of soldiers. The Pentagon told me we are not keeping track of the number of soldiers who are wounded or ill or injured that are not hit by the enemy's bullets and bombs. If you go to the Pentagon's transportation command, however -- these are the people that put wounded soldiers on airplanes and fly them out -- they will give you some data. What the Pentagon says is, well, not every single person who is put on an airplane and flown out of Iraq is a casualty; some of them may have appendicitis, and so on and so forth. But they won't tell you how many of each category there are. So in other words, we know that there are thousands and thousands and thousands of potential casualties that are not being reported. AMY GOODMAN: And how are these troops being treated? You could refresh people on your groundbreaking story on Ft. Stewart, Georgia, and what was happening there. But what has happened since, as well? MARK BENJAMIN: What has happened since is that essentially the treatment of the soldier, I think, depends to a certain extent on how badly they're injured, how they're injured and what stage of the treatment they're in. So for example, the military is very, very good at getting to wounded soldiers in the field and putting them on airplanes, flying them out of Iraq, taking them to Lahnstuhl, Germany, taking care of them and bringing them to Walter Reed. These are people hit by, for example, improvised explosive devices and missing arms and legs. As you go down the spectrum of casualties in terms of people that have their backs broken in car accidents, or frankly, people that have mental problems which is a growing and very serious toll from this war, which I think is also underreported, the treatment, at least according to soldiers, is not as good. I would add one other thing. The new, I think the latest, phenomenon that seems to be occurring is we now see an increasing number of soldiers reaching the end of their medical care with the military, and being put out of the military, now in the hands of the VA. And while I believe there’s some very, very capable people and caring people at the Veteran's Administration, they appear to be overloaded, and we’re reaching a situation now where sick, wounded and otherwise hurt soldiers are being essentially put out of the military and not getting the kind of care that I think they would like at the VA. And I think there are some soldiers that are starting to fall through the cracks. AMY GOODMAN: Mark Benjamin, as when you see once again, President Bush going to Walter Reed Hospital, your final thoughts? MARK BENJAMIN: I'm certainly glad that the president is visiting the troops. I think he's probably seeing part of the picture. For example, I suspect they probably took him to the -- one of the wards there where they have more of the traditional war injuries as opposed to, for example, Ward 54, which is where I visited, which is the in-patient psychiatric ward where we have soldiers who frankly have been driven deeply insane by combat. I wish that the American people knew more about what is happening with respect to the toll of this war, because I think it's a lot bigger and a lot more troubling than most people know. AMY GOODMAN: Mark Benjamin, I want to thank you for being with us. UPI reporter. MARK BENJAMIN: Thank you for having me. To purchase an audio or video copy of this entire program, click here for our new online ordering or call 1 (888) 999-3877. |
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| Wichita | Aug 4 2005, 09:09 AM Post #8 |
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Noah, when you take the time to actually talk with the casualties, you don't need to wait for the government to tell you what's going on. You assume that I am unaware because I haven't read the information somewhere. You are talking about people who I see across my desk weekly, who are my neighbors or children of friends and who I know from clubs and church. I don't need the numbers because I've seen the faces. I'm sure Fes could tell you that colleges everywhere are gearing up for a new group of 19-20 year olds who are very different from the norm. Get out and actually meet the people rather than focus on the numbers - they are a pretty amazing bunch. |
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 4 2005, 09:10 AM Post #9 |
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What makes you think I don't know any of the casulaties? I do. Please stop making assumptions about me. It is unfair and unbecoming of an administrator. |
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| Fesarius | Aug 4 2005, 09:16 AM Post #10 |
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^^^ Noah, I usually don't do this, but to pigeonhole Wichita as an adminstrator while you are discussing issues with her is unfair. She is responding to you as a non-administrator at present, and IMO should be afforded the same courtesy. BTW, something struck me as I was reading what you posted. Fatalities and casualties can be used interchangeably at times, although they are not the same thing at all. |
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 4 2005, 09:17 AM Post #11 |
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Perhaps, but it is also unfair to make assumptions about me that I don't know anyone who served or is currently serving in Iraq. I have family there now. |
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| Wichita | Aug 4 2005, 09:20 AM Post #12 |
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Thank you, Fes. It also happens to violate:
Noah, the premise of your thread makes assumptions about me and what I know (as well as every other poster here). Your assumption is unfair and unbecoming of you. I am out of this conversation not because of the content but because I am off to work and not able to post for awhile. Again, Fes, thank you. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Aug 4 2005, 09:27 AM Post #13 |
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Wichita, I was sorry to hear so many Marines had been killed this past week and that they were from Ohio. My sincere condolences to the people of Ohio. |
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| Fesarius | Aug 4 2005, 09:31 AM Post #14 |
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Wichita, You're welcome. And I apologize to both you and Noah if I stepped over the line. Noah and Wichita = :).
Noah, I understand. Having family over there is why those Letters From Baghdad were so important for me to receive last year. They were like primary sources, in a way. BTW, my brother-in-law, who was a major last year, was recently promoted to lieutenant colonel.
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| Dr. Noah | Aug 4 2005, 09:32 AM Post #15 |
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You never have offended me Fes. In fact, you were right to call me out. I was out of line. I was just surprised that people would assume that I don't know anyone serving. Another example of assuming making an ass out of u and me. |
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