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"War on Terror" or "Struggle Against Extremism"
War on Terror 1 (16.7%)
Struggle Against Extremism 1 (16.7%)
Both names are equally good 4 (66.7%)
Total Votes: 6
"War on Terror" or "Struggle Against Extremism"; Which name is better?
Topic Started: Aug 1 2005, 08:01 AM (527 Views)
gvok
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Which name is better? Please explain your answer.
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psyfi
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This is like asking which is better to say: Tomayto or Tomahto. Both expressions are fine and dandy.
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gvok
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I should have expected that response. :D
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psyfi
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gvok
Aug 1 2005, 08:10 AM
I should have expected that response. :D

^^^
The poll would be better if you included it as a category.
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gvok
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Dear Moderator,

Please add a "Both names are equally good" vote option to this poll.

Thanks.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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How about an "Other" option, just for grins?




My comment, "who cares, as long as we destroy Islamofascists who want to kill us."
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gvok
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Interesting.
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Dr. Noah
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How about the enless war against people we have no idea who they are?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dr. Noah
Aug 1 2005, 07:35 AM
How about the enless war against people we have no idea who they are?

What's this supposed to mean?
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somerled
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Neither.

It may have started off as a war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda , ie against terror, but is has lost credibility as a bonefide war on terror .

In fact the "War on Terror" is and always was just an advertising gimic to win support for the BushCo agenda.

As to stuggle against extremism - no - that's not right either. Though plenty of extremism has been generated as a result of the invasion of and on going wars in Afganistan and Iraq. (Not only islamic extremism.)

I can't vote for any voting option offered.
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Minuet
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gvok
Aug 1 2005, 09:22 AM
Dear Moderator,

Please add a "Both names are equally good" vote option to this poll.

Thanks.

Done
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Interesting that a common Arabic word for struggle is "jihad."
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24thcenstfan
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Unfortunately, I can't vote in this poll and you know why Gvok. :D
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somerled
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Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 2 2005, 12:18 AM
Interesting that a common Arabic word for struggle is "jihad."

Source ?

from Encyclopedia of Politics and Religion

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Jihad

The Islamic idea of jihad, which is derived from the Arabic root meaning "to strive" or "to make an effort," connotes a wide range of meanings, from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to an outward material struggle to promote justice and the Islamic social system. The former meaning was emphasized by Sufis (Muslim mystics), who popularized a tradition describing the inner jihad as greater than the outer jihad. When used in the latter sense, jihad is closely identified with the injunction in the Qur'an, the revelation of God to the prophet Muhammad, to the Muslim community to "command the right and forbid the wrong" (3:104, 110). The close connection of jihad with the struggle for justice is reinforced in the hadith, the sayings and actions attributed to Muhammad. One of the best known states that a Muslim must strive to avert injustice first by actions, and if that is not possible, by words, and if that is not possible, at least by intentions.

During the period of Qur'anic revelation while Muhammad was in Mecca (610-622), jihad meant essentially a nonviolent struggle to spread Islam. Following his move from Mecca to Medina in 622, and the establishment of an Islamic state, fighting in self-defense was sanctioned by the Qur'an (22:39). The Qur'an began referring increasingly to qital (fighting or warfare) as one form of jihad. Two of the last verses on this topic (9:5, 29) suggest a war of conquest or conversion against all unbelievers.


and Modern interpretations :
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First, the apologetic arose in the late nineteenth century in response to Western criticism that jihad meant "holy war" and that Islam was spread through force.

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The second approach, the modernist, also diminishes jihad's military aspects and emphasizes its broader ethical dimensions within Islamic faith and practice. ....  modernists dismiss the medieval theory as a distortion of Qur'anic ethics, pointing out, for example, that the division of the world into Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb is found nowhere in the Qur'an or Prophetic traditions. A war is jihad, therefore, only if it is fought in defense of Muslim lives, property, and honor .... Jihad in the modernist view is the Islamic equivalent of the Western idea of just war, a war fought to repel aggression with limited goals and by restricted means.

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The goal of jihad today ought not to be to coerce people to accept Islam, because the Qur'an clearly encourages freedom of worship (especially 2:256); rather, it ought to be to overthrow un-Islamic regimes that corrupt their societies and divert people from service to God


Take your pick.



Damit - I've now done something taboo - I've looked up a nasty word , and , if I wasn't already on an ASIO / AFP watch list (being a nasty leftist and very antiwar) - I guess I am now.
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Dr. Noah
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Endless war against unknown assailants.
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