| We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Bolton Inaccurately Filled Out Senate Questionaire | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 29 2005, 07:37 AM (469 Views) | |
| gvok | Jul 29 2005, 11:55 AM Post #16 |
|
Unregistered
|
If I ever saw an example of him acting like a rational person (unlike his congressional testimony) then maybe I'd have another opinion. |
| | Quote | ^ | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Jul 29 2005, 01:48 PM Post #17 |
|
UberAdmiral
|
When have you seen him NOT act in that fashion? Or have you just read news reports of a bunch of sissy whiners who complain that he is such a meanie?
|
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| gvok | Jul 29 2005, 01:50 PM Post #18 |
|
Unregistered
|
I specifically recall his testimony before congress. He seemed a little nuts to me. |
| | Quote | ^ | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Jul 29 2005, 01:56 PM Post #19 |
|
UberAdmiral
|
To you, maybe. To me he seemed both a coherent and capable guy who doesn't take s&%# from badgering senators, and not a milquetoasty kowtowing UN-schmoozer. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| gvok | Jul 29 2005, 01:57 PM Post #20 |
|
Unregistered
|
Well, I'm not sure how that kind of personality is suposed to "reform" the UN. Are you? |
| | Quote | ^ | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Jul 29 2005, 02:03 PM Post #21 |
|
UberAdmiral
|
You keep going back to personality. I prefer competence, but that's just me. I'll bet you're just a blast at parties...
|
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Mainiac | Jul 29 2005, 02:05 PM Post #22 |
|
Lieutenant Commander
|
I've always wondered exactly how Bolton is going to "reform the UN", myself. It's great rhetoric and plays well to the conservative base, but exactly what do they think he can do? (They do understand that the UN is not just another federal department of the US, don't they? He can't just waltz in and take control.) If it's merely threatening to cut off our funding unless there is more accountability for its spending, well, couldn't any lackey of the administration carry that message? They must feel he has some hidden talent for diplomacy that is unapparent to the casual viewer. (And hotly contested by many not-so-casual coworkers.) I think it's really all about loyalty. From Bush to Bolton, and from Bush's supporters to Bush. And the wishes of the UN be damned... |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| gvok | Jul 29 2005, 02:06 PM Post #23 |
|
Unregistered
|
How do you think he will reform the UN admiral? |
| | Quote | ^ | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Jul 29 2005, 02:44 PM Post #24 |
|
UberAdmiral
|
Bush loyalty? What has Bolton been in the Bush Administration? Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. I believe that ranks up there with Under Secretary for Sno Cone Size Enforcement. I think, quite simply, that Bolton is the guy who will take the message to the UN that pissant third-world organizations won't be affecting US policy any more. How can he do it? Let's see... the UN can be evicted, we can cut off both funding and the personnel for several UN missions. In other words, we can starve them of resources until they decide to hold their leaders accountable for the incredible corruption this joke of an organization has become known for. Bolton is merely the instrument. He is convincing and he won't wither under pressure like certain others (Bill Richardson, Madeleine Albright) in the past. He will most likely argue for Kofi Annan's resignation (unfortunately, nor for a prison cell). Some here make excuses for the UN corruption and think we should still support them, even though this body has worked against OUR national interests for decades. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| Mainiac | Jul 29 2005, 03:29 PM Post #25 |
|
Lieutenant Commander
|
I really think you are just making my point here, abg. Your opinion of the UN and past US policy with regard to it is clear, but I do not understand your rationale. As you yourself say, "Bolton is merely the instrument." Richardson and Albright did exactly as they were instructed, as any Ambassador does. They represent US policy, they don't form it. You have made no case for why Bolton is the only one who can do the job Bush wants done at the UN. If I need to dig a hole, and the shovel I would prefer to dig it with is unavailable, I grab another one. I don't make a huge scene until I get "my" shovel... Bush is the President, and if the ambassador to the UN doesn't do what he wants, he fires him and appoints another. In this case it seems to be much more important to the administration to have the "right" man in the position than it is to have anyone at all. (He'll be appointed next week, after congress adjourns.) And by the way, I personally would NOT want Madeleine PO'd at me.
|
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| gvok | Jul 29 2005, 03:42 PM Post #26 |
|
Unregistered
|
As I said, it's clearly just an FU to the UN. |
| | Quote | ^ | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Jul 29 2005, 03:45 PM Post #27 |
|
UberAdmiral
|
US policy toward the UN has changed since the Clinton Administration. In addition, the scandals such as Oil-for-Food and raping 12-year old girls in Rwanda were not known. He is the president's pick. I like him (Bolton). How about making a case as to why someone else should get the job, and what they should do. |
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| gvok | Jul 29 2005, 03:49 PM Post #28 |
|
Unregistered
|
That's a dodge if I ever saw one. Why don't you admit that the reason you like him is simply because it's an FU to the UN? |
| | Quote | ^ | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Jul 29 2005, 03:56 PM Post #29 |
|
UberAdmiral
|
Once again, as I said in another thread, I don't have to justify it to you. If you can't figure out why I like him from what I have written in this thread, then too bad... even though you are going to insist that I like Bolton because of a supposed "FU to the UN". Think whatever you want. I really don't care. Frankly, you've made up your mind about this, and you won't accept anything I say as anything but "this is just an FU to the UN." I believe I am being perfectly straightforward, and you are trying to parse everything I say and draw your own conclusion. Try looking at something at face value for once.
|
| Offline | Profile | | Quote | ^ |
| gvok | Jul 29 2005, 03:58 PM Post #30 |
|
Unregistered
|
You seem to think he'll reform the place but I can't figure out how you feel he will do that. I'm just trying to understand this aspect of your theory. |
| | Quote | ^ | |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Politics and World Events Forum · Next Topic » |



2:08 PM Jul 11