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How do you feel about lawyers?; What about the US legal system?
Topic Started: Jul 28 2005, 09:39 AM (1,165 Views)
24thcenstfan
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gvok
Jul 29 2005, 01:16 PM
That's funny 24, I've never seen you vote "other" in a poll before.

You better watch it LawyerMan, or I’ll change my vote to 'Bad.'
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Admiralbill_gomec
Jul 29 2005, 01:58 PM
gvok
Jul 29 2005, 12:51 PM
Defense attorneys don't push lawsuits in the manner you describe.  Neither do most plaintiff's attorneys for that matter.

I believe all lawyers do what they do to line their own pockets, hence my comment below...

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mostly to line their pockets


...at the expense of others.

It's been my experience that most lawyers go out of their way to act ethically especially in the way they charge their clients for their services. Perhaps you associate with different lawyers than I do.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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gvok
Jul 29 2005, 01:02 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jul 29 2005, 01:58 PM
gvok
Jul 29 2005, 12:51 PM
Defense attorneys don't push lawsuits in the manner you describe.  Neither do most plaintiff's attorneys for that matter.

I believe all lawyers do what they do to line their own pockets, hence my comment below...

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mostly to line their pockets


...at the expense of others.

It's been my experience that most lawyers go out of their way to act ethically especially in the way they charge their clients for their services. Perhaps you associate with different lawyers than I do.

Perhaps I choose not to associate with them at all. What's the matter, gvok, I'm not entitled to an OPINION about your profession? We've been here before, but it has been several months.
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You are free to hold whatever OPINIONS you wish. I'm just telling you that my experience has been vastly different than yours and I tried to account for that reason.
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Minuet
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Guys please end this now before it gets out of hand.

Gvok - try not to take any remarks made here personally. AB has made general remarks only.

I may have to close this one down if it does get personal.

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Mainiac
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Just curious, abg. I always figured our modern legal system was the heritage of centuries of development tracing back to our Judeo-Christian roots. Now don't get me wrong, I don't "like" lawyers, but what method of conflict resolution would you prefer? How would you eliminate the need for them? Duels? ;)
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Trial by ordeal?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Mainiac
Jul 29 2005, 01:19 PM
Just curious, abg. I always figured our modern legal system was the heritage of centuries of development tracing back to our Judeo-Christian roots. Now don't get me wrong, I don't "like" lawyers, but what method of conflict resolution would you prefer? How would you eliminate the need for them? Duels? ;)

An educated populace resolving the conflict themselves.
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24thcenstfan
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If we did not have lawyers, our legal system would come to a screeching halt. We need people who specialize in law to help navigate us through the very murky waters of the legal system.

What we need is reform so that both lawyers and people looking to make a fast buck do not abuse the system (i.e. frivolous lawsuits). Not everyone is out to work over the legal system (i.e. I am not generalizing about lawyers or people in general).

Our legal system is over burdened and that is what should be addressed. What areas can we work on to combat frivolous lawsuits and to alleviate the burden the legal system currently finds itself under? It can't be blamed on any one area (i.e. just lawyers).
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Admiralbill_gomec
Jul 29 2005, 02:35 PM
Mainiac
Jul 29 2005, 01:19 PM
Just curious, abg.  I always figured our modern legal system was the heritage of centuries of development tracing back to our Judeo-Christian roots.  Now don't get me wrong, I don't "like" lawyers, but what method of conflict resolution would you prefer?  How would you eliminate the need for them?  Duels?  ;)

An educated populace resolving the conflict themselves.

You'd have to adequately fund the public education system to pull that one off.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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gvok
Jul 29 2005, 01:43 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jul 29 2005, 02:35 PM
Mainiac
Jul 29 2005, 01:19 PM
Just curious, abg.  I always figured our modern legal system was the heritage of centuries of development tracing back to our Judeo-Christian roots.  Now don't get me wrong, I don't "like" lawyers, but what method of conflict resolution would you prefer?  How would you eliminate the need for them?  Duels?  ;)

An educated populace resolving the conflict themselves.

You'd have to adequately fund the public education system to pull that one off.

No, you don't. You simply have to cut the dead weight from the education system and actually teach.
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Hopefully that will happen some time soon. ;)
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Mainiac
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gvok get's to the problem with that abg. You can make the argument that education is equally available in a free society, based on one's intellectual merits, but we don't live in a utopian society where all have equal capacity and opportunity. Justice should not be based on intellectual ability. No more so than marksmanship in my jibe. Lawyers exist to defend the rights of the voiceless, both of the individual and society. If they are misused, its our own collective fault, as well as the fault of those who actively participate.













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Admiralbill_gomec
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02:02 PM
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gvok get's to the problem with that abg. You can make the argument that education is equally available in a free society, based on one's intellectual merits, but we don't live in a utopian society where all have equal capacity and opportunity. Justice should not be based on intellectual ability. No more so than marksmanship in my jibe. Lawyers exist to defend the rights of the voiceless, both of the individual and society. If they are misused, its our own collective fault, as well as the fault of those who actively participate. [/QUOTE]
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Lawyers exist to defend the rights of the voiceless, both of the individual and society.


That's all very pretty, but sorely lacking in reality today.
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That's all very pretty, but sorely lacking in reality today.


I disagree. Given you admittedly don't associate with lawyers or the legal system (apparently) I'm not sure what you base your assumptions and theories on.
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