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Guess who is Protesting the War in Iraq?; She is at it again!
Topic Started: Jul 27 2005, 08:30 AM (1,377 Views)
Admiralbill_gomec
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Aug 1 2005, 08:16 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 2 2005, 07:17 AM
Wow, went all the way to a Chinese newspaper to get a Roto-Reuter's hit piece. Way to go!

Who says that the goal of keeping Communism from expanding around the world was an illegitimate cause?

The comparison between Vietnam and Iraq is meaningless, except for those who still think this is Vietnam redux (probably to salve their guilty consciences for running away to Canada). An apt comparison (and I've said this before) would be Germany after WWII.

Well - actually , my dad did , my uncles do , and lots of ex-diggers at my dad's old RSL Club do, and I agree with them that keeping Communism from expanding around the world was/is an illegitimate cause.

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gvok
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Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 1 2005, 06:12 PM
gvok
Aug 1 2005, 03:18 PM
AB, it's not at all surprising that you would feel that way.  The facts speak for themselves.



No, the "facts" don't say jack squat. You are trying to pass off a logical fallacy as fact, in typical fashion. Tell me how the war in Vietnam during our arrival was fought like Iraq. Tell how the Soviet Union and China are aiding alQueda and islamofascist terrorists? Tell me the similarities between Ho Chi Minh and Osama bin Laden. THERE AREN"T ANY and you know it.

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A Reuters analysis of US Defense Department statistics showed on Thursday that the Vietnam War, which the Army says officially began on Dec. 11, 1961, produced a combined 392 fatal casualties from 1962 through 1964, when American troop levels in Indochina stood at just over 17,000.

By comparison, a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where US forces number about 130,000 troops + the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965.

The casualty count for Iraq apparently surpassed the Vietnam figure last Sunday, when a US soldier killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack south of Baghdad became the conflict's 393rd American casualty since Operation Iraqi Freedom began on March 20.


Do you dispute any of the facts in this section AB? If so, which ones?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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gvok
Aug 2 2005, 06:25 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Aug 1 2005, 06:12 PM
gvok
Aug 1 2005, 03:18 PM
AB, it's not at all surprising that you would feel that way.  The facts speak for themselves.



No, the "facts" don't say jack squat. You are trying to pass off a logical fallacy as fact, in typical fashion. Tell me how the war in Vietnam during our arrival was fought like Iraq. Tell how the Soviet Union and China are aiding alQueda and islamofascist terrorists? Tell me the similarities between Ho Chi Minh and Osama bin Laden. THERE AREN"T ANY and you know it.

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A Reuters analysis of US Defense Department statistics showed on Thursday that the Vietnam War, which the Army says officially began on Dec. 11, 1961, produced a combined 392 fatal casualties from 1962 through 1964, when American troop levels in Indochina stood at just over 17,000.

By comparison, a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where US forces number about 130,000 troops + the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965.

The casualty count for Iraq apparently surpassed the Vietnam figure last Sunday, when a US soldier killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack south of Baghdad became the conflict's 393rd American casualty since Operation Iraqi Freedom began on March 20.


Do you dispute any of the facts in this section AB? If so, which ones?

Once again, you are trying to use logical fallacy as fact. They were two completely different wars fought at different times with different technology.

Tell you what, smart guy, find the figures for WWII or Korea. Then we'll talk.

If not, give up while you're behind.
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gvok
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the Vietnam War, which the Army says officially began on Dec. 11, 1961, produced a combined 392 fatal casualties from 1962 through 1964, when American troop levels in Indochina stood at just over 17,000.


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a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where US forces number about 130,000 troops + the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965.


So you deny the validity of these facts?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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As an example, I could say that highway traffic fatalities are rising, but compared to the number of miles driven and conditions in which the accidents occurred, the data are meaningless.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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gvok
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How are they not facts? Do you feel they are untrue?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Read directly above.
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gvok
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So you deny their veracity. Do you have a source which supports your theory?
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gvok
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Your refusal to answer the question is answer enough. Thanks.
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24thcenstfan
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Gentlemen, dial it back now. If you persist down this road then I will have to close this thread.
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Minuet
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Thanks 24. But I would go a step further and delete some of these replies. :wave2:

I will do so now.

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captain_proton_au
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Aug 1 2005, 11:12 PM

I remember going to school dances where there were no black people because they lived in their own neighborhoods and had their own dances and nobody even thought twice about that and would feel offended if somebody black had the nerve to show up at one of "our" dances. I remember all the stupid and insane things my family and family friends believed about black people. I remember talking with a nun when I decided to marry my ex-husband (who is black) and how she tried to explain to me about these people's "bad blood." I remember the local priest telling me that if I decided not to marry my husband, he would get me in one of the best Catholic schools in the country and get the church to buy me a car! I remember the therapist I had gone to when I was 16 after having a nervous breakdown, talking to me about how wrong it was for races to mix and that my desire to do so was really a sign of neurosis. No, it is not hard for me to gage at all. It was an era in which most were racist and most of them re-evaluated and thank God changed their views during the 60s and into the early 70s.

Wow!, Thanks for telling us about it
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